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Old 06-09-2015, 09:10 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Did the gladiator scene remind anyone else of this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmR1ee223zQ

To answer someone's earlier question, all the Stark children can warg into animals. All they've shown in the show has been Bran and Jon but in the books they all do, even Sansa the Lame, Mistress of Winterfell.

In fact, Sansa has these dire wolf dreams she can't explain because hers was killed early on. Maybe.

Arya let her wolf go and it's running wild mostly killing Freys.

Robb's was killed.

Bran is the most accomplished in it, although Arya has her moments with other animals.

Oh, they killed Daenarys' husband in the show. In the books he survives and rules in her name but is closely monitored by Salmy (guess that doesn't work now). The husband was the leader of the Harpies.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Sunshine state
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You know, based on what's been told by readers of the books about what's happened in the books vs what's in the show, I think I like the TV version better. The books sounded overly complicated to me.

Also, don't be too hard on Sansa. I used to dislike her character the most, then I realized she's the product of her upbringing. She's been trained since birth to be a lady and all she had to worry about was how to please her future husband. Unlike Arya, who already showed her rebellious and tomboyish nature very early on, Sansa was the least prepared of all Stark children. Still is actually. She tries very hard to protect herself the only way she knows how, by being an obedient girl and be as invisible as possible. It doesn't work and she's learning it the hard way.
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Old 06-09-2015, 12:24 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Sansa presumably still has the shank she stuck in her sleeve. I am rooting for that girl this Sunday.

She can't do anything to Ramsay until she has a way out, though. Maybe the Boltons will attack the crippled Baratheon army, leaving Winterfell vulnerable to an uprising led by Brienne and Podrick. And then the shanking.

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Old 06-09-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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You know, based on what's been told by readers of the books about what's happened in the books vs what's in the show, I think I like the TV version better. The books sounded overly complicated to me.

Also, don't be too hard on Sansa. I used to dislike her character the most, then I realized she's the product of her upbringing. She's been trained since birth to be a lady and all she had to worry about was how to please her future husband. Unlike Arya, who already showed her rebellious and tomboyish nature very early on, Sansa was the least prepared of all Stark children. Still is actually. She tries very hard to protect herself the only way she knows how, by being an obedient girl and be as invisible as possible. It doesn't work and she's learning it the hard way.
I agree with your comments on Sansa.

I like her (in the books) she is a survivor. She was trapped, imprisoned, under guard, and under the thumb of her father's killers yet while appearing outwardly polite and compliant she never stopped thinking and looking for a way out, she made alliances, she played the hand she was dealt all the way. And she survived.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Northeastern U.S.
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wow, that death was probably the hardest to watch on the show of them all. RIP Shireen Baratheon.
Did you see Melisandre smirking as that poor kid was screaming and burning? I want Melisandre and Stannis to die, the sooner the better.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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I hope Stannis's men desert him. The only person who was happy was that smirking witch.
Good acting from Stephen Dillane as Stannis and young Kelly Ingram as Shireen, but it was still horrifying and not in any good way.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Sunshine state
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I agree with your comments on Sansa.

I like her (in the books) she is a survivor. She was trapped, imprisoned, under guard, and under the thumb of her father's killers yet while appearing outwardly polite and compliant she never stopped thinking and looking for a way out, she made alliances, she played the hand she was dealt all the way. And she survived.
Exactly. Her strength is what I call 'quiet strength'. Not a Buffy The Vampire Slayer's kick-your-butt brand of strength, but her kind of strength is more restraint but certainly no less powerful.
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Northeastern U.S.
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What's interesting is that if Arya had been trapped in King's Landing and known as Arya Stark (as opposed to an urchin in boy's clothes); she would probably have been killed for killing Joffrey if he'd taken her up to see Ned's head. Or at least she would have been beaten worse than Sansa was and have done some dungeon time. And if Sansa had managed to escape the palace when the Lannisters turned on the Starks, she probably wouldn't have lasted more than a day or two, before being at least raped if not killed. The two sisters took different paths to places where their skill sets enabled them to survive, however precariously; even if they have become far more morally grey and hardened than poor Ned and Catelyn would ever have dreamed.

And in the books, Arya and Sansa are younger; Sansa only 11 when her father died I think; and Arya about 9, so their strength and determination is even more remarkable.
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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Not all. There were a bunch of dead ones lying in the stadium stands while other people ran around screaming....for many minutes.....even after the dragon got there.......

I meant killing off the harpy survivors. dragon food.
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:59 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Why is she Sansa the Lame?

The Starks are descended from a different race, right? The First Men or the Children or ... every time I go browsing through a wiki to get some backstory, curiosity gets the best of me. I avoid looking too much now, so I am clumsy with all the facts. But that's why they can warg and maybe also commune with direwolves. Are they the only ones, the last of the lineage?
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