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they don't, like lots of laws, special interest groups pressure the government to keep laws that benefit them.
and the U.S. Treasury (U.S. Government) has NO say? Isn't that how American politics run by the needs and interests of groups of voters in their economy? Isn't that how Puerto Rico's government works and all countries?
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sure, but it's not the main thing. cost of shipping does not account for the purchasing power of the dollar versus goods in the DR.
it accounts for prices and the higher the prices versus the currency value do affects cost like other factors from taxes and regulations.
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I'm just repeating facts to refute your propaganda. I have read the numbers before but do not have them ready.
So you do have then numbers. Well? OK I have never seen them. Congress and the Department of Commerce and Treasury has. They had hearings on this. I don't have a propaganda since I'm just a consumer and I'm not pushing for change with no details or lack of numbers.
turns out the jones act not only destroys domestic shipping, but it is the reason we import oil by ship (from Russia)
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The Jones Act, passed a century ago, has effectively limited the size of vessels that are allowed to transport goods between U.S. ports. That has left oil buyers on the West Coast and East Coast effectively unable to get supplies shipped out of the Gulf Coast..It isn’t profitable for companies to ship oil from that region to the U.S. East and West Coasts by such small ships, so refiners along those coasts, lacking pipeline connections from the Permian and Cushing, mostly import it from overseas...Roughly half of the oil that the U.S. imports from Russia goes to the West Coast
China and Europe gets their oil also from Russia. What does this has to do with commerce prices and jobs in Puerto Rico? So Russia is the boogie man to get rid of the Jones Act?
Maine has to buy natural gas from Trini cuz its cheaper than getting it shipped from Texas. But i think Jones Act is meant to prop up domestic shipping lines. Which my guess is a national defense kinda move. dont want to rely on foreign shipping. but then we end up relying on foreign oil. which is shipped in by foreign shps. sooooo.....
You want energy independent, then let the U.S. drill our shores and public land. Biden puts sanctions on American oil but doesn't on Russian oil. Let's drill.
Maine has to buy natural gas from Trini cuz its cheaper than getting it shipped from Texas. But i think Jones Act is meant to prop up domestic shipping lines. Which my guess is a national defense kinda move. dont want to rely on foreign shipping. but then we end up relying on foreign oil. which is shipped in by foreign shps. sooooo.....
Energy independence would be a great thing.
it was intended to be a national defense move but has been a failure, there are very few shipbuilders left and none of them produce internationally competitive ships meaning they have very low volume. us airlines have the us crew requirement but airlines are fee to fly foreign planes. but yes, new england and PR both rely on foreign oil, in fact the entire east and west coast does as well as noted earlier. ND does ship some oil to the east coast by train but that's the least efficient of the three (pipeline, ship, rail)
China and Europe gets their oil also from Russia. What does this has to do with commerce prices and jobs in Puerto Rico? So Russia is the boogie man to get rid of the Jones Act?
it also affects where PR sources its oil. so you approve of what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
it was intended to be a national defense move but has been a failure, there are very few shipbuilders left and none of them produce internationally competitive ships meaning they have very low volume. us airlines have the us crew requirement but airlines are fee to fly foreign planes. but yes, new england and PR both rely on foreign oil, in fact the entire east and west coast does as well as noted earlier. ND does ship some oil to the east coast by train but that's the least efficient of the three (pipeline, ship, rail)
energy independence can come from other sources as well. Nuclear power for example. but either way the jones act is outdated and only serves as a sanction against USA products and only benefits a select few and the politicians they pay for. just like the politicians that try to sell the publics land to their oil buddy friends. thank god not all are bought and paid for. just most of them.
it also affects where PR sources its oil. so you approve of what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
I don't think you know about Russia's history to understand the overall picture and just get informed by the U.S. media which is mediocre (with all due respect) Ukraine has nothing to do with Puerto Rico. If We drill at home which Biden prohibits but it's ok buying from Russia we could solve many issues.
I don't take side in the Ukraine issue because it's a lot complicated than what the media is reporting. You can believe what you want but I know who is the U.S. and what they do. I don't pretend otherwise and I don't apologize because that's the game and this is who they are. I served in the U.S. Navy searching Soviet Nuclear Submarines in the Pacific in a real war not this. So I'm very familiar with the Russians.
NATO was formed after WW 2 to counter the Soviet Union who was our allied in WW 2. It was a 16 country alliance. The Soviet Union dissolved over 30 years ago (1991) and We told Russia that NATO wasn't expanding to their borders. NATO went from 16 countries to 30 countries today and kept pushing and pushing further East. Putin in 2007, said you are not making Georgia or Ukraine into NATO members and put missiles right on our border or inject your influence. They didn't listen and kept pushing and Putin, well? kept his word and reacted and the world is "shocked" because We are being told to be "shocked"......NO gracias. Is not our problem or Puerto Rico.
Big brother is smacking little brother for letting NATO in and wanting to expand NATO and you want me to take sides when the U.S. has done the same thing as Putin and worse?
The U.S. has invaded countries, drone the hell out of people, sold arms to bad governments, violated international law and violated treaties, overthrew democratically elected governments, supports 77% of the world's dictators and have their American military in over 80 countries around the world active in wars and you want me to feel what about Russia and Ukraine when NATO instigated this and nobody is willing to enlist to fight in Ukraine and the people in power doesn't have the balls to boycott Russia's oil.
If you really want to make Putin pause, you freeze the oil sales but the U.S. and especially Europe are too dependent on Russia's energy and won't sacrifice. They are all talk. They won't even enlist to fight and die in Ukraine but they sure talk tough behind the keyboard.
Again, I'm not apologizing. I served in the U.S. I know what We do and who We are. My problem is some Americans that don't know history or foreign affairs and pretend something We are not, drinking the kool aid by our mediocre 1 sided media. The U.S. goes to war NOT to spread democracy (most of the world is incompatible with American democracy) they go to war and bomb countries back to the stone ages for economic domination. So unless you want to fight and die in Ukraine for somebody's pockets, I suggest you sit this one out, it's not our problem.
You asked. You set the pins and I roll.
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energy independence can come from other sources as well. Nuclear power for example. but either way the jones act is outdated and only serves as a sanction against USA products and only benefits a select few and the politicians they pay for. just like the politicians that try to sell the publics land to their oil buddy friends. thank god not all are bought and paid for. just most of them.
So outsourcing our domestic routes and ports is somehow going to clean our political system and We are getting cheaper products and more domestic jobs?
I thought higher taxes and bigger government is a sanction on products and jobs but you tell me it's the Jones Act? ok
Again, you want cheaper energy? let's drill at home which the left sanctions but are dependent on foreign energy which affects foreign policy and to the extreme wars. You think the U.S. are in endless wars and endless occupations and in 80 countries for the love and sharing?. Energy and natural resources. You want less of that, you become less dependent on foreign oil and let drill here.
I know independentistas hate the U.S. and blame even Santa Clause for their issues and frustrations but I'm still waiting to see how getting rid of the Jones act will make products in Puerto Rico cheaper and bring more jobs when you are outsourcing domestic jobs and the fact is Puerto Rico has the highest purchasing power than any Latin country behind the U.S. and Canada.
Purchasing power in the America continent:
1) U.S. 2) Canada 3) Puerto Rico and a distance rest are all Latin Countries. Can somebody explain the gap? Those countries don't have the Jones Act.
Purchasing power is the value of a currency expressed in terms of the number of goods or services that one unit of money can buy. Purchasing power is important because, all else being equal, inflation decreases the number of goods or services you would be able to purchase.
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Isn't that how American politics run by the needs and interests of groups of voters in their economy? Isn't that how Puerto Rico's government works and all countries? 
