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I don't think this was an irrational event. These four men heard a voice calling for help. I don't think there is any doubt about that, they responded and saved a young child but the source of the voice is a mystery. It's not irrational, it is unexplainable. There is an explanation, we just don't know what that it.
Irrational is the opposite of rational. I didn't say the heroic act was irrational. I doubt there is an explainable solution. ( explanation). The point of my vid ( you tube) was the motion was backwards, instead of forward, with the exact same outcome.
Yes, and I also recall one man saying he even RESPONDED to the call for help. These four grown men, now heroes, looked nervous and awe-struck while being interviewed because they knew this would come off as "weird" to many people. I agree with other posters who say that the onus of belief lies on their side because THEY WERE THERE. Why would they gather round to make this up? THAT would be the only thing to not "make sense" to me.
We're talking about it aren't we? They gained some national notoriety from the event didn't they? Some people just crave attention. I know they were on Anderson Cooper..... how many other shows did they give interviews to? Were they paid at all for these interviews? Given any kind of compensation?
Again, I doubt these men are lying. I believe that they believe they heard this mysterious voice. Playing Devil's advocate though, these are a few reasons why they could have "made it up" IF they in fact did, which I doubt.
Well, it all makes perfect sense now. Because we all know that peacocks speak in grammatically correct English. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
The problem with that idea is that the men said nothing of a bird. The peacock idea only exists on City Data, and the occurrence of a peacock that happened on a film set in 2004.
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The problem with that idea is that the men said nothing of a bird. The peacock idea only exists on City Data, and the occurrence of a peacock that happened on a film set in 2004.
Yep. Please note I was being sarcastic.
"We heard a woman's voice screaming, 'I need help!'" being chalked up to "It was peacocks" makes about as much sense to me as "I saw a dozen pulsing blue lights zig-zagging across 8 miles of sky" being chalked up to "weather balloons" or "swamp gas."
"We heard a woman's voice screaming, 'I need help!'" being chalked up to "It was peacocks" makes about as much sense to me as "I saw a dozen pulsing blue lights zig-zagging across 8 miles of sky" being chalked up to "weather balloons" or "swamp gas."
Swamp gas is good one! (That was incredibly funny!)
As I have mentioned in another post, I became interested in Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVPs) shortly after the passing of my son. Those who are involved in recording EVPs know that in most cases, EVPs are not heard in real time. Usually the EVPs are captured while recording and only heard upon playback. That said, real time EVPs, or phantom voices do occur occasionally, and I have experienced them myself. To make myself clear , I'd like to stress that I do not hear these voices inside my head, I hear them with my ears. So yes, I do believe it is possible that these men did indeed hear a phantom call for help.
Even though I believe in the paranormal, I still retain a logical, open minded thought process. For example, I was recently on vacation and decided to roam around a graveyard looking at tombstones in a well known cemetery that is a final resting place for many famous people. While in the graveyard I heard what sounded like a call for help. Eerie, but my first thought was it must be a cat, or some other animal. Then when I heard the sound again, it sorta sounded like a small child, and there was a funeral being held on the other side of the cemetery with children in attendance. In conclusion I determined it was a bird.
I was on vacation, I was unfamiliar with the sound of that bird and If I had been in a stressful situation, I could see how one could have interpreted that sound as a human voice calling for help. The men that rescued the baby were, I assume, residents of the Utah area and familiar with the bird calls native to that area. I just find it hard to imagine that all FOUR men would mistake a familiar bird call for a human voice. Possible in that stressful situation? Yes. But from my experience with EVPs, I find it just as plausible that these men absolutely did hear a mysterious, phantom call for help to save the baby.
It's highly unlikely it was the mother they heard, therefore. Another possibility is that in a state of high stress and physical stress, their minds created the voice out of ambient sounds, like the car making noises as they moved it. One of them said, "It felt like I could hear someone telling me, 'I need help. ... It was very surreal, something that I felt like I could hear." The article notes that seven rescuers had to be treated for hypothermia after the rescue, and hallucinations can sometime accompany hypothermia; see the list of symptoms here:
if one of them said "I hear a voice" that might predispose the others to hear a voice, too in those conditions.
I see no reason to change the above reply which I posted early on in this thread based on what others have said since then. Reiterating and expanding on the above:
* Seven rescuers were treated for hypothermia after the rescue
* Hypothermia can sometimes be accompanied by hallucinations
* Audial hallucinations can be very convincing (they light up the same brain areas as real voices)
* In conditions of high stress, misinterpretations of sensory inputs can be contagious ("did you hear THAT?")
* The fact that they're "trained professionals" doesn't make them less susceptible physically to stress and hypothermia
* "Trained professionals" heard different things in the wake of the 9/11 attacks; a woman some years ago was shot because cops seeing her cell phone thought it was a gun; "trained professionals" aren't infallible
* The responder saying "it felt like I could hear someone ... it was very surreal, something that I felt like could hear" sounds to me like someone who isn't 100% sure of his interpretation of what he "heard" rather than a "trained professional" reporting objective observations.
Also -- I remember reading that people saw an arm floating in the water....I would think that would make almost anything you heard a cry for help.
I'm not saying they didn't hear something... their minds made it into cries for help....
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Nothing out of the ordinary here.
