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Remember this story in the next week or so when a couple of ex-British army pensioners are charged in relation to events from the Troubles.
DUP leader Arlene Foster has called on Sinn Fein to apologise for labelling IRA murder victim Paul Quinn a criminal and has challenged the party to explain why it "misrepresented" the killing.
Mrs Foster was speaking after she met the parents of the 21-year-old south Armagh man, who was beaten to death by a 12-strong gang with iron bars and nail-studded cudgels.
Paul Quinn was lured to a barn in Co Monaghan, where he was brutally assaulted in 2007. Every bone in his body below his neck was broken. He was targeted after clashing with local Provisionals over minor matters.
Think whatever you want. I don't think that you've ever read about it and are trying to stir the pot.
I understand you are getting frustrated with the General, but him posing his point of view in the discussion, or having a different historical perspective is hardly stirring the pot.
I'd also point out that when someone of your side of the aisle lists anniversaries of violence from the other aisle (but not of your own), I do not see you claiming they are stirring the pot.
Frankly I do not see it as pot stirring either, but one must be constant to be fair. Considering that, did you read the article I posted from Esquire where it succinctly said "the GFA was only a start at the harder job of softening the hearts of people who’d marinated in hatred and distrust for centuries". ?
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I understand you are getting frustrated with the General, but him posing his point of view in the discussion, or having a different historical perspective is hardly stirring the pot.
I'd also point out that when someone of your side of the aisle lists anniversaries of violence from the other aisle (but not of your own), I do not see you claiming they are stirring the pot.
Frankly I do not see it as pot stirring either, but one must be constant to be fair. Considering that, did you read the article I posted from Esquire where it succinctly said "the GFA was only a start at the harder job of softening the hearts of people who’d marinated in hatred and distrust for centuries". ?
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I'm a US citizen, living in the US. Where are you going with this? There isn't a "side" to the facts of how the Protestants got to Northern Ireland. I don't involve myself with the modern violence. Find where I've gotten involved with that and let me know. Then tell me which side of the aisle I'm on.
I've said that I've studied the plantation, specifically Hamilton and Montgomery. That's how the Protestants got there. I had ancestors who came from Ulster Province in the 1700s.
Don't want me posting the historical stuff, no problem.
I'm a US citizen, living in the US. Where are you going with this? There isn't a "side" to the facts of how the Protestants got to Northern Ireland. I don't involve myself with the modern violence. Find where I've gotten involved with that and let me know. Then tell me which side of the aisle I'm on.
I've said that I've studied the plantation, specifically Hamilton and Montgomery. That's how the Protestants got there. I had ancestors who came from Ulster Province in the 1700s.
Don't want me posting the historical stuff, no problem.
Well as a fellow American, we might at times be perplexed at how much ancient history (well before our independence and founding) plays a role in modern day NI. So far be it for me to say not to post "historical stuff", as it is impossible to separate today with the past.
What I was getting at is that someone does not need to be "stirring the pot" ( as you thought the General might be), to have a differing point of view of history. Ulsterman for example has a view that while might be accurate from his perspective, but does not correlate with those on the other side of the aisle. The same can be said about the General.
Thus I used the posting of anniversaries of previous violence by the other tribe, as a unique example of certain posters(say Roscoe for example), who make no mention of how their side (or surrogates via the British government) have acted.
Thus there was no implication you did so.
There wouldn't be anything wrong if you did, but I had others in mind when I posted that.
Sometimes my stream of consciousness might not be clear, or as accurate to a particular poster as I intended.
Plus I am on EST, so my level of alertness varies via the time, and how much Jim Beam is in my system.
Well as a fellow American, we might at times be perplexed at how much ancient history (well before our independence and founding) plays a role in modern day NI. So far be it for me to say not to post "historical stuff", as it is impossible to separate today with the past.
What I was getting at is that someone does not need to be "stirring the pot" ( as you thought the General might be), to have a differing point of view of history. Ulsterman for example has a view that while might be accurate from his perspective, but does not correlate with those on the other side of the aisle. The same can be said about the General.
Thus I used the posting of anniversaries of previous violence by the other tribe, as a unique example of certain posters(say Roscoe for example), who make no mention of how their side (or surrogates via the British government) have acted.
Thus there was no implication you did so.
There wouldn't be anything wrong if you did, but I had others in mind when I posted that.
Sometimes my stream of consciousness might not be clear, or as accurate to a particular poster as I intended.
Plus I am on EST, so my level of alertness varies via the time, and how much Jim Beam is in my system.
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Yeah except what I was saying was accurate. What Ulsterman is saying is incaccurate
Who can forget this week 31 years ago when the SAS ambushed and killed three IRA lunatics in Gibraltar.
Keys to a hire car found in one of the terrorist's handbag led the Spanish Police to the discovery across the border in Spain of five packages totalling 84 kg of Semtex explosive in a car which the IRA team had intended to subsequently drive into Gibraltar and set off without warning.
Who can forget this week 31 years ago when the SAS ambushed and killed three IRA lunatics in Gibraltar.
Keys to a hire car found in one of the terrorist's handbag led the Spanish Police to the discovery across the border in Spain of five packages totalling 84 kg of Semtex explosive in a car which the IRA team had intended to subsequently drive into Gibraltar and set off without warning.
Top work by the lads from Hereford.
Once read that Maggie claimed to have been unaware of the " shoot to kill policy"?
Plausible deniability perhaps
A Spanish lady who witnessed the killings claimed the IRA trio put their hands up and effectively surrendered, the sun newspaper christened her " the tart of Gibraltar" and claimed she was a prostitute, later revealed to be false but sure it served a purpose as it was no doubt lapped up by the Conklings of this world
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