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It's about protecting what's good for England,not the UK, the parliament is not a parliament of equals.
The problem of Scotland today is that the transition to independence would have a destabilising economic effect on the rest of the United Kingdom and would likely cost hundreds of billions of pounds to manage. Just as in 1707, when the Union was a political solution to safeguard England’s national security, and perpetuate the Act of Settlement, saving the Union today would be a political solution to avoid economic damage and safeguard international clout and position.
Whilst there would be upheaval on both sides, and there would definitely be no economic miracle forthcoming, it is quite disingenuous of politicians to romantically promote the idea that we would be much better off staying together, when their true underlying motives are driven by lazy convenience, maintenance of position and retention of power.
Westminster is the NATIONAL seat of government for the whole of the UK that includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland not just England.
the EU referendum was for the whole of the UK not just your bit of it.
50% of my business is created by the British market, would brexit hurt my business if Brits couldn't travel to Spain, yes, would it ruin me, No.
The majority of Brits come to Spain in the high season, this is the time of year when everywhere is full, so if Brits don't take the accomodation, Spanish, Scandinavians will.
I'm actually going to Gran Canaria on Monday, Brits are very much in the minority there with the exception of plays de ingles, everywhere else it's Norwegians, I own a property there and in my community of 50 apartments 35 are now Norwegians, the others are either Scandinavians or Irish, there two Brits.
Same will go with cars wine etc, the EUs a lot bigger and the UK a lot less important than you think.
If it all goes bad we might have to sacrifice Benidorm and few other similar locations that other Europeans won’t want to go to
Nothing against you I hope you understand but I couldn't think of anywhere worse in the world to live than among a load of Daily Mail-reading Gor Blimeys in Spain.
So we have The Scottish Parliament, National Assembly for Wales and The Northern Ireland Assembly which makes Westminster, what?
The NATIONAL government, how many more times? those you mentioned are DEVOLVED governments, they have some powers but not the full list of Westminster.
The idea that the UK would pay £40 Billion to the EU and receive no free trade agreement whilst the rest of the world strikes up free trade agreements and whilst British troops, planes and ships defend Europe is nonsensical.
The EU is also offering free trade to Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Israel and Palestinian National Authority and this may be extended further to Syria, Libya, Gulf Cooperation Council, Iraq and Mauritania as part of the Euro Mediterranean free trade area. As for Euros they can be cleared in places like Hong Kong and most Financial Services have fully access to the European market including the US and many other parts of the world.
So it's fine to do free trade deals with all these countries and numerous other countries around the world, but not with the UK, which has numerous defence and security pacts with EU countries and which has always been a close ally.
It's about protecting what's good for England,not the UK, the parliament is not a parliament of equals.
The problem of Scotland today is that the transition to independence would have a destabilising economic effect on the rest of the United Kingdom and would likely cost hundreds of billions of pounds to manage. Just as in 1707, when the Union was a political solution to safeguard England’s national security, and perpetuate the Act of Settlement, saving the Union today would be a political solution to avoid economic damage and safeguard international clout and position.
Whilst there would be upheaval on both sides, and there would definitely be no economic miracle forthcoming, it is quite disingenuous of politicians to romantically promote the idea that we would be much better off staying together, when their true underlying motives are driven by lazy convenience, maintenance of position and retention of power.
England GDP - $2 Trillion
London GDP $600 billion (although the wider London metropolitan area has an even larger GDP)
Scotland GDP - $237 Billion
Wales GDP - $62 Billion
Northern Ireland GDP - $49 Billion
The Scots ad Welsh rely on trade with England.
Scotland's trade with England is around £60 Billion, whilst Scotlands trade with the whole of Europe is £11 Billion and is far stronger as part of the UK in terms of defence and security. Scotland's economy even with oil is not that great, and the cost of decommisioning oil platforms still has to be payed whilst petrol and diesel set to be banned in many countries from 2030 onwards. Furthermore any country now aplying to join the EU has to give up it's currency in favour of the Euro and has to adopt a lot of other things that were never acceptable to the UK. Such a move would also make trade with England and relations very problematic, for very little gain.
Wales is one of the poorest regions, it's economy was based on heavy industry such as coal mining which has now gone. Like Scotland they rely on trade and financial help from other parts of the union. There would be no advantage in Wales going indpendent, it would just damae the economy.
Northern Ireland still remains deeply devided and from time to time violence still raises it's ugly head. It's also another area which suffers economic problems, although the £2 Billion recently given to them by Theresa May's Government will certainly help in terms of infrastructure and other projects.
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Doesn't matter, he only signs the agreement. The agreement is made between congress and the UK govt. He can veto, but he doesn't determine the agreements content.
Well, not really true. The Trump administration negotiates and signs trade agreements. Then the agreements go to Congress for ratification. Congress cannot change any parts of the agreement. They only decide whether to ratify or not to ratify.
By the way, it is thought that the new NAFTA agreement may have more difficulty getting through the House next year because the Democrats will be in the majority.
The problem of Scotland today is that the transition to independence would have a destabilising economic effect on the rest of the United Kingdom and would likely cost hundreds of billions of pounds to manage. Just as in 1707, when the Union was a political solution to safeguard England’s national security, and perpetuate the Act of Settlement, saving the Union today would be a political solution to avoid economic damage and safeguard international clout and position.
Whilst there would be upheaval on both sides, and there would definitely be no economic miracle forthcoming, it is quite disingenuous of politicians to romantically promote the idea that we would be much better off staying together, when their true underlying motives are driven by lazy convenience, maintenance of position and retention of power.
London GDP $600 billion (although the wider London metropolitan area has an even larger GDP)
Scotland GDP - $237 Billion
Wales GDP - $62 Billion
Northern Ireland GDP - $49 Billion
The Scots ad Welsh rely on trade with England.
Scotland's trade with England is around £60 Billion, whilst Scotlands trade with the whole of Europe is £11 Billion.
Wales is one of the poorest regions, it's economy was based on heavy industry such as coal mining which has now gone. Like Scotland they rely on trade and financial help from other parts of the union. There would be no advantage in Wales going indpendent, it would just damae the economy.
Northern Ireland still remains deeply devided and from time to time violence still raises it's ugly head. It's also another area which suffers economic problems, although the £2 Billion recently given to them by Theresa May's Government will certainly help in terms of infrastructure and other projects.
I also wouldn't rely too heavily on oil with petrol and diesel set to be banned in many countries from 2030 onwards.
Which is why we are working on a free trade agreement, indeed if you read my previous post 1415, the EU already has free trade agreements with a host of countries and a free trade agreement should not really be a big issue.
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