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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-29-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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Its the impression I get from your post, to me it comes across as a little 'bitter'.
Why would I be bitter? Ultimately it doesn't affect me. I'm stating my honest opinion on the topic. I do not understand why people would vote to leave a large trading block and go it alone. I also don't think there has been any consideration given to the effect on other areas such as Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. There is more bad than good in my view but that is my honest opinion. If everything works out I'll be relieved but you must be aware of some worrying signs within the UK already? This is going to be an expensive exercise for Britain and what are they really going to gain?

If you can let me know why you think it is a good move I'm all ears? Britain after all is just one country and how do they compete with big trading blocks like the EU or places like China? They will be able to stop people from the EU coming in but the same will happen with Brits wanting to work in the EU.

As I've said I'll be quite willing to congratulate Britain if they end up better off after all this but who are they going to trade with that will replace something like the EU?

Interesting times ahead.
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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The "Common Travel Area" between UK and Ireland is only for European and British citizens. Suppose somebody has Bangladesh Passport with schengen Visa. He/she can come to Paris and also to Dublin on that visa. For him/her to travel to England/Wales/Scotland either by ferry or Flight, passport and visa is checked. He or she can come to Belfast also but again, to take flight to England or even a Ferry to Scotland, Visa is checked. That is possible due to Sea betwen ireland and Great Britain.
Once Scotland becomes independent, how will they prevent people without visas sneaking across land border. Anybody without schengen visa can walk from England to Scotland without detection. Anybody without visa for England but only Schengen Visa can walk across porous border from Scotland to England.

Schengen Visa is for EU countries-not valid for UK entry. Similarly UK visa is not valid for entry into EU countries. Any tourist from many Asian and African countries need to get both British Visa as well as EU Schengen Visa to visit both EU countries as well as UK.
Ireland isn't part of Schengen though. Both Ireland and the UK weren't part of Schengen. Ireland will not join Schengen because they will want to maintain the CTA.

https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/rus...-of-countries/
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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Forgive them, they know not what they do...
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:54 AM
 
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Why would I be bitter? Ultimately it doesn't affect me. I'm stating my honest opinion on the topic. I do not understand why people would vote to leave a large trading block and go it alone. I also don't think there has been any consideration given to the effect on other areas such as Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. There is more bad than good in my view but that is my honest opinion. If everything works out I'll be relieved but you must be aware of some worrying signs within the UK already? This is going to be an expensive exercise for Britain and what are they really going to gain?

If you can let me know why you think it is a good move I'm all ears? Britain after all is just one country and how do they compete with big trading blocks like the EU or places like China? They will be able to stop people from the EU coming in but the same will happen with Brits wanting to work in the EU.

As I've said I'll be quite willing to congratulate Britain if they end up better off after all this but who are they going to trade with that will replace something like the EU?

Interesting times ahead.
There is no reason why there shouldn't be employment via work visas like in the past. Europeans work in the US and vice versa when they can get a job offer that no nationals can fill.
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Old 03-29-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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Ireland isn't part of Schengen though. Both Ireland and the UK weren't part of Schengen. Ireland will not join Schengen because they will want to maintain the CTA.

https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/rus...-of-countries/
Then Scotland Visa will come up in similar lines.
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Old 03-29-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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I do not understand why people would vote to leave a large trading block and go it alone.
Interesting times ahead.
Brexit camp was telling people that they will put 350 million pounds per week into the NHS if they leave the EU. The pensioners voted in droves for Brexit. It became a symbol of I love my country, so I will vote for Brexit. Many minorities such as Indian, Pakistani origin British also voted for Brexit.
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Old 03-29-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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Then Scotland Visa will come up in similar lines.
It couldn't it's a requirement for all EU applicants to agree to the Schengen treaty. This would include Scotland if they achieve both independence and EU membership.

The UK and Ireland had the option on Schengen as they were present at the time Schengen came into being, thus chose to not be part of it. That option does not exist for new applicants.
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Old 03-29-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Brexit camp was telling people that they will put 350 million pounds per week into the NHS if they leave the EU. The pensioners voted in droves for Brexit. It became a symbol of I love my country, so I will vote for Brexit. Many minorities such as Indian, Pakistani origin British also voted for Brexit.
I think that's a simplification. Many people in Britain simply don't want the interference from Brussels and Berlin, EU laws, etc. "I want my country back" and such slogans express pretty well what matters to people.

What Americans often don't seem to understand is that the EU is not like the US. We are not just a couple dozen states, but completely different countries with different culture, history, languages etc. And the EU has gradually eaten away some of the sovereignty and independence of member countries. Would US Americans allow their government to give up their sovereignty in favor of NAFTA so that Mexicans and Canadians can interfere with US laws, regulations etc.? I don't think so, so why would Brits?
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Stop pretending an independent Scotland couldn't join the EU

I am fine with being in Schengen or out. I am also fine with being independent of UK and EU with close ties to both.

What tickles me is people thinking Scotland won't jump the queue. Let's get real they will. Deny that all you want but that is what will happen.
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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I read somewhere that Scotland cannot declare itself independent according to the constitution. The Scots need London's approval, which is rather unlikely.
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