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It seems to me Scotland and Northern Ireland will view this as unacceptable which may very well lead to the break up of the UK. Interesting how many folks that voted to leave wanted to go back to another period. They probably were not envisioning it to be the 17th century though.
Why do you think that the UK being in or out of the EU would be the deciding factor in Scottish independence or Northern Ireland uniting with Republic of Ireland? Aren't those issues much older by centuries than the EU?
The GBP/EUR currently is at 115.4%, but it hit a low of 102.3% in 2008. Frankly I think Northern Ireland will reconsider it's allegiance if they hit parity.
I don't mean to put it in such crass terms, but there is a great deal of history for either choice. Ultimately in the modern day it will be primarily an economic decision.
Why do you think that the UK being in or out of the EU would be the deciding factor in Scottish independence or Northern Ireland uniting with Republic of Ireland? Aren't those issues much older by centuries than the EU?
The GBP/EUR currently is at 115.4%, but it hit a low of 102.3% in 2008. Frankly I think Northern Ireland will reconsider it's allegiance if they hit parity.
I don't mean to put it in such crass terms, but there is a great deal of history for either choice. Ultimately in the modern day it will be primarily an economic decision.
Fascinating thread for my American eyes. While obviously we are aware of the Scottish independence movement over here, what does come as a surprise is the disdain for each other I see between English and Scottish people. Is this just City data or is it really common in real life? From an outside perspective it seems all the countries of the U.K. are stronger and much more relevant together. The U.K. Is a major world power with great influence. If the union dissolves that is all gone. I hope the people of Scotland think about that if there is another vote.
Timing could be interesting.... the California secession effort also plans thier referendums in 2018 or 2019. I can't imagine what happens to the stability of the world if the USA and the U.K. crack up over internal issues in the same year. The bad guys around the world will have a field day.... and the world markets would collapse. Both secession efforts are not likely to happen....BUT brexit and Donald trumps election were not taken seriously either and both have now happened. What if???
Fascinating thread for my American eyes. While obviously we are aware of the Scottish independence movement over here, what does come as a surprise is the disdain for each other I see between English and Scottish people. Is this just City data or is it really common in real life? From an outside perspective it seems all the countries of the U.K. are stronger and much more relevant together. The U.K. Is a major world power with great influence. If the union dissolves that is all gone. I hope the people of Scotland think about that if there is another vote.
Timing could be interesting.... the California secession effort also plans thier referendums in 2018 or 2019. I can't imagine what happens to the stability of the world if the USA and the U.K. crack up over internal issues in the same year. The bad guys around the world will have a field day.... and the world markets would collapse. Both secession efforts are not likely to happen....BUT brexit and Donald trumps election were not taken seriously either and both have now happened. What if???
Who is more relevant? UK or Norway? You would say UK as they are powerful. I would say Norway as their citizens are happy. I don't want to be like the USA. And that is where we are heading out the EU with a Conservative government for the next decade. More and more private health care more and more inequality more and more right wing population. No thank you.
Why do you think that the UK being in or out of the EU would be the deciding factor in Scottish independence or Northern Ireland uniting with Republic of Ireland? Aren't those issues much older by centuries than the EU?
The GBP/EUR currently is at 115.4%, but it hit a low of 102.3% in 2008. Frankly I think Northern Ireland will reconsider it's allegiance if they hit parity.
I don't mean to put it in such crass terms, but there is a great deal of history for either choice. Ultimately in the modern day it will be primarily an economic decision.
You're absolutely right. You do have a lot of history there. That's why I referenced the 17th century, which was the last time there wasn't a union (actually 1707 but close enough).
I don't know if it will be the deciding factor but specifically since the history is complex and fraught with tensions a seismic event like brexit which is already highly polarizing in Britain let alone the rest of the UK might well be the straw that breaks the camels back, so to speak. Hopefully not. I think there's more positives for a united kingdom than not. Plus, I think your union disolving would not portend well for other unions, including my own union of American states, yes USA.
I actually was in the basque country of Northern Spain when Scotland had it's referrendum and the basque nationalists were very hopeful of Scottish independence. So the Scots leaving would definitely ignite passions in other countries secessionist movements too.
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Who is more relevant? UK or Norway? You would say UK as they are powerful. I would say Norway as their citizens are happy. I don't want to be like the USA. And that is where we are heading out the EU with a Conservative government for the next decade. More and more private health care more and more inequality more and more right wing population. No thank you.
Funny thing ... when you voted 'yes' in 2014 one of the consequences was an iScotland which was not in the EU. Now you want independence because the UK is leaving the EU.
Why do you keep putting iScotland? lol. I don't even care if we get in the EU, but would prefer it, but I think we will have no bother getting in the single market etc. Which I think would have been the scenario in 2014 also.
It should be for the island of Britain to vote on whether we sever a third of our land mass, it was Britain, long before the tribe of Scots sailed from Northern Ireland to defeat the Pict king and the Strathclyde Britons, yes Britons. Sturgeon ( a good Viking name) should take her mad socialist ideology somewhere else, the land of the Caledonian is far better than the SNP
Paul, you are falling for this Braveheart baloney. Sturgeon is a crap, but calculating politician.
So much is made of Scots v Bad English (also Welsh). Just watch Outlander, that gets your nationalism pumped up, a real Scots v Sassanach blood fest, only to read about Culloden and how many Northern English fought with the Jacobites, thousands, and how many Irish, lowland Scots fought with the redcoats. This island is so intertwined the island of BRITAIN is not for some Glaswegian to give away
Paul, you are falling for this Braveheart baloney. Sturgeon is a crap, but calculating politician.
So much is made of Scots v Bad English (also Welsh). Just watch Outlander, that gets your nationalism pumped up, a real Scots v Sassanach blood fest, only to read about Culloden and how many Northern English fought with the Jacobites, thousands, and how many Irish, lowland Scots fought with the redcoats. This island is so intertwined the island of BRITAIN is not for some Glaswegian to give away
Sturgeon is NOT a Glaswegian.
Neither is Paul
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