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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-19-2018, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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The Referendum was more about stopping Free Movement or Immigration of people, not about membership of EU. If tomorrow some deal can be struck about stopping free movement, many pro-Brexit people will agree to be part of EU !!!
Kinda sorta, but there was a near equal amount of people voted leave because of what they consider rule by Brussels.

You also need to be very specific on free movement, because it's not free movement of motivated or skilled or educated people improving the UKs economy, but of people coming because they'll get better social safety nets than in their countries of origin.

And then there's the refugee issue, which was caused by Angela Merkel, who then decided she spoke for the whole EU. Which kind of runs into both points 1 and 2 above.
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Old 12-19-2018, 04:53 AM
 
Location: England
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The Referendum was more about stopping Free Movement or Immigration of people, not about membership of EU. If tomorrow some deal can be struck about stopping free movement, many pro-Brexit people will agree to be part of EU !!!
Well of course many people voted to leave, because the EU refused to listen about our fears on unlimited immigration from the EU. We were told it was one of the four pillars, and there was no way immigration could be curbed, so go away, and stop complaining about it.
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Old 12-19-2018, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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The Referendum was more about stopping Free Movement or Immigration of people, not about membership of EU. If tomorrow some deal can be struck about stopping free movement, many pro-Brexit people will agree to be part of EU !!!
Tony Blair's been touting this theory in the media over the last week saying that if the UK stayed he's convinced that the EU would look at, and act upon these concerns.

I was going to say nobody would trust him but the EU is so large things take a long time to work the way through the sytem.

I've just been having a conversation with Spanish friend who is angry with his compatriots for recently voting for right wing parties in Andalucia, many have the same frustrations with immigration and I'm sure it will be the same in most EU countries, migration outside of Europe needs curtailing and moving around is great but you should have a job to go to or have the means to support yourself if you move from your home country, I strongly believe that if you have a criminal record you should not have a passport at all and be made to reside in your birth country after release from prison.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:08 AM
 
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Tony Blair's been touting this theory in the media over the last week saying that if the UK stayed he's convinced that the EU would look at, and act upon these concerns.

I was going to say nobody would trust him but the EU is so large things take a long time to work the way through the sytem.

I've just been having a conversation with Spanish friend who is angry with his compatriots for recently voting for right wing parties in Andalucia, many have the same frustrations with immigration and I'm sure it will be the same in most EU countries, migration outside of Europe needs curtailing and moving around is great but you should have a job to go to or have the means to support yourself if you move from your home country, I strongly believe that if you have a criminal record you should not have a passport at all and be made to reside in your birth country after release from prison.
They had that option.

David Cameron spoke to them BEFORE the referendum and they rejected any discussion on the subject. That's what resulted in the referendum, and the referendum resulted in where we're at.

If they'd taken us seriously in the first place, we'd not be discussing this. What makes you think they'll listen now?
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:08 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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Tony Blair's been touting this theory in the media over the last week saying that if the UK stayed he's convinced that the EU would look at, and act upon these concerns.

I was going to say nobody would trust him but the EU is so large things take a long time to work the way through the sytem.

I've just been having a conversation with Spanish friend who is angry with his compatriots for recently voting for right wing parties in Andalucia, many have the same frustrations with immigration and I'm sure it will be the same in most EU countries, migration outside of Europe needs curtailing and moving around is great but you should have a job to go to or have the means to support yourself if you move from your home country, I strongly believe that if you have a criminal record you should not have a passport at all and be made to reside in your birth country after release from prison.
Tony Blair is a lying arsehole and only does things that benefit Tony Blair, nobody in the UK believes a word he says and just want him to go away and count his millions like Scrooge.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:15 AM
 
Location: England
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Tony Blair is a lying arsehole and only does things that benefit Tony Blair, nobody in the UK believes a word he says and just want him to go away and count his millions like Scrooge.
When Tony Blair prostrates himself before all the injured and dead soldiers mothers, from the war in Iraq, begging their forgiveness, I will listen to what he has to say.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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When Tony Blair prostrates himself before all the injured and dead soldiers mothers, from the war in Iraq, begging their forgiveness, I will listen to what he has to say.
That touched a nerve, incredibly Tony Blair was one of the most successful and popular prime ministers of all time, he must look back and think what was I thinking with Iraq.

We all make mistakes in a moments haste and once you say go, its hard to reverse that decision..... Oh my, that's Irony right there
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:48 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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That touched a nerve, incredibly Tony Blair was one of the most successful and popular prime ministers of all time, he must look back and think what was I thinking with Iraq.

We all make mistakes in a moments haste and once you say go, its hard to reverse that decision..... Oh my, that's Irony right there
he hasn't exactly endeared himself with his actions since he left office, he isn't an MP any more so why does he think we would take any notice of him now? when he apologises for Iraq maybe but he never will.
many people think he should be in the Hague facing a war crimes trial.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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he hasn't exactly endeared himself with his actions since he left office, he isn't an MP any more so why does he think we would take any notice of him now? when he apologises for Iraq maybe but he never will.
many people think he should be in the Hague facing a war crimes trial.
Steady on, Im here defending the UK in the EU not Blair, he really made a mess of the Iraq war and I don't think many can deny that.

The UK shouldn't follow the US into wars, they need the UK to be the sensible one calming things down.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:11 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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well, Blair wanted to help his new "buddy" George Bush jnr and that was the whole reason for the Iraq war, that and an "iffy" dossier.
we refused to get involved in the Vietnam war.
with the meagre armed forces in the UK today I don't think we should be getting involved in any new wars.
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