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Yes 158 33.47%
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Old 12-18-2018, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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We'll have to agree to disagree.

If they had run a business they wouldn't vote to do the damage with your largest trading partner and in turn damage your own business and employees.

We will see in a few weeks when Theresa caves in to the inevitable.
You make it sound like a business is a static entity, in my experience it's certainly not. You make choices that increase or decrease your market share, and you adapt to those choices and market conditions. If you haven't been doing this, you've been doing it wrong.

You may as a business choose to cease trading with another business accepting a short term loss for a long term profit, that's what's known as an investment. So I disagree a business may very well choose to stop trading with their largest partner to pursue a greater opportunity away from that partner.

If Bill Gates followed your advice, he'd be a no-name buried in the bowels of IBM.
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Old 12-18-2018, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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You make it sound like a business is a static entity, in my experience it's certainly not. You make choices that increase or decrease your market share, and you adapt to those choices and market conditions. If you haven't been doing this, you've been doing it wrong.

You may as a business choose to cease trading with another business accepting a short term loss for a long term profit, that's what's known as an investment. So I disagree a business may very well choose to stop trading with their largest partner to pursue a greater opportunity away from that partner.

If Bill Gates followed your advice, he'd be a no-name buried in the bowels of IBM.
No business would close down trade with its biggest customer without a backup plan in place, and the bull being touted about future deals won't put food on the table and is no backup plan.

The business would at best lay off half its employees but in all probability just go bust, Bill Gates or not.
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Old 12-18-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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No business would close down trade with its biggest customer without a backup plan in place, and the bull being touted about future deals won't put food on the table and is no backup plan.

The business would at best lay off half its employees but in all probability just go bust, Bill Gates or not.
They've had 2 years to get that backup plan in place, if they're so clumsy that it takes more than two years to plan for this, they're better off dead, because in the next 10 years with disruptive technology and emerging markets they're just dead men walking anyway. To be honest I'd even be surprised if the EU is anything significant in 20 years, you want to hitch your wagon to those horses? I certainly wouldn't.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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They've had 2 years to get that backup plan in place, if they're so clumsy that it takes more than two years to plan for this, they're better off dead, because in the next 10 years with disruptive technology and emerging markets they're just dead men walking anyway. To be honest I'd even be surprised if the EU is anything significant in 20 years, you want to hitch your wagon to those horses? I certainly wouldn't.
I hitched my horses to the EU in 2002 and it was the best thing that I could have done, I know I am banging a different drum to many of those on here but will keep banging it for the doors to stay open for future generations so they can trade or live anywhere they want in the EU and make the most of their lives.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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i'm sure there are plenty of people living and working in Europe who's countries are not part of the EU, I don't think that's a valid argument.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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i'm sure there are plenty of people living and working in Europe who's countries are not part of the EU, I don't think that's a valid argument.
You don't think my preference for freedom of movement and ease of trade is a valid argument for the UK staying in the EU

If the UK hadn't joined the EU I wouldn't have the life I have today and another million plus Brits wouldn't either, the UK's economy has also thrived over the last 20 years with the border less trade opportunities.

Building barriers is regressive and self harm.

Only people with a poor quality of life would jump into the unknown after being warned it will have negative affects in the hope of improvement.

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Old 12-18-2018, 09:36 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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I agree but only in part.
like I said before, I was all for the trading part "the common market" but once the political element was added I couldn't wait to vote to leave along with 17 million other patriots.
remember we were never given a vote on the EU only on remaining in the common market and that was 2 years AFTER we were taken in without a vote.
they have just ruled out a second referendum, apparently legally speaking its a no-no.

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Old 12-18-2018, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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I agree but only in part.
like I said before, I was all for the trading part "the common market" but once the political element was added I couldn't wait to vote to leave along with 17 million other patriots.
remember we were never given a vote on the EU only on remaining in the common market and that was 2 years AFTER we were taken in without a vote.
they have just ruled out a second referendum, apparently legally speaking its a no-no.
A vote on what way to go now is inevitable, it's not my wishful thinking.

Today's announcement of preparing for a no deal is to try and frighten MP's to vote for Mays terrible deal, the chances are pretty slim that that passes.

Once it's voted down its drive over the edge or throw it back to the people and with 80% of Tory MPs wanting to remain anyway, at least according to Ken Clarke today, it doesn't take much figuring what way that will go.
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Old 12-18-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Canada
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A vote on what way to go now is inevitable, it's not my wishful thinking.

Today's announcement of preparing for a no deal is to try and frighten MP's to vote for Mays terrible deal, the chances are pretty slim that that passes.

Once it's voted down its drive over the edge or throw it back to the people and with 80% of Tory MPs wanting to remain anyway, at least according to Ken Clarke today, it doesn't take much figuring what way that will go.
With only a little more than three months left, it would be idiotic/irresponsible NOT to prepare.

The EU announced in October it was preparing for a no deal: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41765983
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Old 12-18-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Never underestimate the willingness of Europe to bow down and kiss the feet of the boots on their necks.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
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