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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-02-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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There isn't time to arrange a second leave vote. I have read it could take up to a year. Can you imagine the atmosphere out in the streets during the loooooong run up to the vote. It would be poisonous, and maybe even violent.

The politicians think they are despised now? Try a long second vote campaign, and see how it turns out. Whatever the result, the anger would fester. Just say remain won, after a hateful campaign, you think leave voters would shrug their shoulders, and say fair enough? After all this pain, we remain in the EU, with the continuing immigration without end?

You're not thinking it through man. You want it so much, you really are not thinking about the consequences. After a possible remain victory, folks like Nigel Farage would crank up a new Brexit party. This party would get millions of votes. Just constant irritation, and refusal to accept continued EU membership. This would not go away, but grow.

That's why politicians can't agree on a second vote. It isn't just about respecting the democratic vote in 2016. Even Corbyn, who goes on about a fresh vote, doesn't really want one. He has a long history of despising the EU. He is just playing to his base, but notice what he refuses to do, not what he says.

We have to leave the EU, or politics in this country will be in ruins, not for just this period, but for the long term future.
You know my prediction and i'm still not wavering, there is only one way out of this mess and thats for the people to decide and they will in the end.

Mays come out tonight saying she wont leave without a deal, and wants Corbyn to help here out, he'll be under pressure to demand whatevers agreed goes back to the people it'll be interesting to see what the extreme Brexiteers in her party say to that, we could see resignations tonight.
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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You know my prediction and i'm still not wavering, there is only one way out of this mess and thats for the people to decide and they will in the end.

Mays come out tonight saying she wont leave without a deal, and wants Corbyn to help here out, he'll be under pressure to demand whatevers agreed goes back to the people it'll be interesting to see what the extreme Brexiteers in her party say to that, we could see resignations tonight.
No Deal is better than a bad deal suddenly seems a long time ago now ...
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:33 PM
 
Location: England
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No Deal is better than a bad deal suddenly seems a long time ago now ...
Yes. The only hope now is for the EU to say enough. No real sign of that. Boy, they must need that £39 billion real bad.
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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Yes. The only hope now is for the EU to say enough. No real sign of that. Boy, they must need that £39 billion real bad.
You know how the DUP said exactly what it wants and stuck to it all of the way through.

Same with the SNP and remain.

That would be Ireland with the backstop.

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Old 04-02-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Glasgow,Scotland
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But what about the people who have replaced in age the older Leavers who are dying off ? You automatically assume everyone who voted Remain has not changed their mind ...

I can imagine the numbers will have increased since this, in 2018


https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/100-...w-vote-remain/
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Glasgow,Scotland
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Barnier says if there's no deal 'a few months after I'm sure UK will ask EU to begin negotiations' on trade.



But warns 'In that case the Withdrawal Agreement we put on the table at the beginning of this negotiation will be still here. Citizens rights, Ireland, financial obligations.'
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:35 PM
 
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But what about the people who have replaced in age the older Leavers who are dying off ? You automatically assume everyone who voted Remain has not changed their mind ...
Hang on, i thought that apparently not many people had changed their minds?

There are probably others who have gone the other way too, from leave to remain after seeing that it hasn't quite turned out to be the easiest deal in history after all.

As has been said, only one way to find out for sure.
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:37 PM
 
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There isn't time to arrange a second leave vote. I have read it could take up to a year. Can you imagine the atmosphere out in the streets during the loooooong run up to the vote. It would be poisonous, and maybe even violent.

The politicians think they are despised now? Try a long second vote campaign, and see how it turns out. Whatever the result, the anger would fester. Just say remain won, after a hateful campaign, you think leave voters would shrug their shoulders, and say fair enough? After all this pain, we remain in the EU, with the continuing immigration without end?

You're not thinking it through man. You want it so much, you really are not thinking about the consequences. After a possible remain victory, folks like Nigel Farage would crank up a new Brexit party. This party would get millions of votes. Just constant irritation, and refusal to accept continued EU membership. This would not go away, but grow.

That's why politicians can't agree on a second vote. It isn't just about respecting the democratic vote in 2016. Even Corbyn, who goes on about a fresh vote, doesn't really want one. He has a long history of despising the EU. He is just playing to his base, but notice what he refuses to do, not what he says.

We have to leave the EU, or politics in this country will be in ruins, not for just this period, but for the long term future. This is when politics can drift to the far right. We may see Nigel Farage as the best of a very bad bunch. There may be other political parties being created unlike anything seen in the UK since the 30s. You **** off enough people, and anything can happen.
You can't abandon democracy based on the fear of a fringe mob of extremists getting violent. If they get violent then they just need to be dealt with as other criminals would.

If a democracy can't change its mind then it is no longer a democracy. I think somebody said something along those lines fairly recently.
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: World
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Leave the EU and then make Trade Deals as quickly as possible with EU to minimise the damage to the economy.
This is the only option left now. They can't cancel the verdict of the Referendum. They have to Leave in order to respect it.
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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The EU has said that any future trade talks will only start if the UK meets the conditions of the current May deal, ie respecting the open border in Ireland and paying any existing obligations to EU budgets.
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