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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-30-2019, 09:14 AM
 
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You're a bit late to the party Roscoe....



Apologies, old chap.
Just come in from a rather splendid lunch with some old chums and hadn't read through all the posts.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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On the plus side once Parliament is dissolved and the election is underway broadcasters will be legally obliged to be neutral.
That's a hard pill to swallow for the anti-Brexit Sky News and BBC.


Labour voters don't like the rain and cold, and will be even more distracted by Christmas, so Labour is already looking at a low turn out, and people will be too busy to bother with the election coverage.

Labour is also going to have problemns with the Lib Dems taking the vote in some of it's key seats.

As for the MP's, they cease to become MP's once the election becomes official, and of course the BBC and other TV coverage must be impartial and meet OFCOM and Electoral Commission rules
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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Yes they are, but like Gungnir, you're making the incorrect assumption that citizenship and voting rights are co-terminus, they're not. You and Gungnir of all people should know that.
I did make that assumption and was rightly called out on it by Gungnir.

This is why citizenship isn't really fit for the modern world, people travel, put down roots and become part of communities around the world and denying them a say in their adopted community that they are very much part of is definitely going to be challenged in the future.

I would expect the EU to lead on this in the not too distant future and legislate for permanent residents to be able to vote in their adopted countries national elections.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Labour voters don't like the rain and cold, and will be even more distracted by Christmas, so Labour is already looking at a low turn out, and people will be too busy to bother with the election coverage.

Labour is also going to have problemns with the Lib Dems taking the vote in some of it's key seats.

As for the MP's, they cease to become MP's once the election becomes official, and of course the BBC and other TV coverage must be impartial and meet OFCOM and Electoral Commission rules
Plus will the kids put their phones down long enough to go and vote. I can see it now......... 18 year old empty head considering going out in the rain to vote, or stay warm indoors staring at his phone......

'Oh geez, this is important. I really must go and vote....... what's that........ a party tonight at number 25...... well, it is Christmas......what was I thinking about before? I've forgot........'

What's that. The Conservatives won! Why didn't someone drive me to the Polling Station!!! I didn't want to get my new coat wet..........
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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I did make that assumption and was rightly called out on it by Gungnir.

This is why citizenship isn't really fit for the modern world, people travel, put down roots and become part of communities around the world and denying them a say in their adopted community that they are very much part of is definitely going to be challenged in the future.

I would expect the EU to lead on this in the not too distant future and legislate for permanent residents to be able to vote in their adopted countries.
Before allowing non citizens to vote, EU will have to prevent countries from withdrawing the right to vote from existing citizens.
Gungnir says he was in the US for 20 years. Then he no longer has the right to vote in the UK, unless he reapplies.
Same for anyone outside the UK for longer than 15 years. UK takes away your vote, but you remain a citizen. The two are not co-terminus.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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There have been two post-WW2 winter elections and both had high turnouts.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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There have been two post-WW2 winter elections and both had high turnouts.
Yeah, but that's in the days when folks considered voting a duty Roscoe. Things are different today. The weather will be a big consideration.

A good thing is the empty headed kids will be distracted by the approaching Christmas festivities.

'Like....... it looks like Brexit is going to happen like. We did our best, but, like, I've got better things to do than go voting in like, the rain.'

The old folks will turn out en mass..........they know how important this vote is........
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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Children voting? Not a problem. Non-citizens voting? Done. Voting by mail? Hey, it’s the 21st century, isn’t it?

Voting online though? Don’t even want to talk about that. Wouldn’t be secure. Sure, the entire financial system, national defense, and the power grid are on secure networks but once we take the training wheels off government people might get the wrong idea that they don’t even need middlemen like Parliament and lying politicians anymore and then the sky would surely fall.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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Before allowing non citizens to vote, EU will have to prevent countries from withdrawing the right to vote from existing citizens.
Gungnir says he was in the US for 20 years. Then he no longer has the right to vote in the UK, unless he reapplies.
Same for anyone outside the UK for longer than 15 years. UK takes away your vote, but you remain a citizen. The two are not co-terminus.
Exactly, I lost my right to vote in the UK for being out of the country for more than 15 years, you must be able to vote somewhere ? makes sense its the country you're resident in.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Plus will the kids put their phones down long enough to go and vote. I can see it now......... 18 year old empty head considering going out in the rain to vote, or stay warm indoors staring at his phone......

'Oh geez, this is important. I really must go and vote....... what's that........ a party tonight at number 25...... well, it is Christmas......what was I thinking about before? I've forgot........'

What's that. The Conservatives won! Why didn't someone drive me to the Polling Station!!! I didn't want to get my new coat wet..........


Totally Agree, they will be too busy on their phones to vote and most couldn't even find the local polling station.

Labour are also up in arms over the recent proposed legislation which will make voters produce ID, as this could also diminish their vote.

No other country allows foreign nationals to vote and you have to remain in further education or training until 18 these days.

You can't drink in a pub until you are 18, you can't smoke and you can't be deployed to the military frontline, whilst driving tests now include a paper as wel,l as a practical meaning that you are likly to be 18 before you pass, so why should you be able to vote.
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