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For goodness sake the troubadour you comment on Corbyn be Socialist and Marxist leaning and so what??
For goodness sake how naive is that nonsense. Even allowing for any occasional queries the Conservative corner did what your Labour lot did NOT do while in power for years. Did they greatly change what was paid in taxation - nope they didn't but the Conservatives did and they also took vast numbers into a reduced or in cases no tax position. Neither do you take note like Corbyn the top income people and how much of our tax system IS paid by them and that includes the top 2% or so that that clown ignores. Indeed they pay just over 20% of the tax income. As I have also opinionated on Labour when dumped out his increased the debt even when in office for years so tells people using their brains on the factual that you just dashed will do not click on. The freebies mentioned here are not properly as good as waffled. Those top people who pay that big level of tax income then dishing out more will reduce interest in our economy which in turn means moving somewhere else and unemployment going up. Over the last few years the more sensible Labourites have disappeared onto the back benches and the would-be Socialist nonsense be a danger to Gt Britain so I do hope Corbyn gets bumped into history.
For goodness sake the troubadour you comment on Corbyn be Socialist and Marxist leaning and so what??
For goodness sake how naive is that nonsense. Even allowing for any occasional queries the Conservative corner did what your Labour lot did NOT do while in power for years. Did they greatly change what was paid in taxation - nope they didn't but the Conservatives did and they also took vast numbers into a reduced or in cases no tax position. Neither do you take note like Corbyn the top income people and how much of our tax system IS paid by them and that includes the top 2% or so that that clown ignores. Indeed they pay just over 20% of the tax income. As I have also opinionated on Labour when dumped out his increased the debt even when in office for years so tells people using their brains on the factual that you just dashed will do not click on. The freebies mentioned here are not properly as good as waffled. Those top people who pay that big level of tax income then dishing out more will reduce interest in our economy which in turn means moving somewhere else and unemployment going up. Over the last few years the more sensible Labourites have disappeared onto the back benches and the would-be Socialist nonsense be a danger to Gt Britain so I do hope Corbyn gets bumped into history.
Pardon me for pointing this out but you appear to have a fixation on tax. Are we supposed to be grateful to the top tax payers? If they pay it it's because they've got it. No one ever thanked me for paying my tax even though it hurt me more than them.
Pardon me for pointing this out but you appear to have a fixation on tax. Are we supposed to be grateful to the top tax payers? If they pay it it's because they've got it. No one ever thanked me for paying my tax even though it hurt me more than them.
Why does it hurt you more than them ?
If they're considerably richer than you they pay a greater percentage of their income than you.
As a result of being rich they probably employ far more people than you who will also be paying tax that otherwise might not be paid to enable your tax level to be lower.
Envy is such a horrible trait.
But very Labour.
People will often actively vote against their own interests if they have received enough propaganda telling them that immigrants and Brussels are at the root of all their frustrations in life.
Advertising/branding/marketing/propaganda works, that's a fact. Otherwise why would corporations pay for it, and why would billionaires want to buy media outlets?
The well-funded advertising/branding/marketing/propaganda of the People's Vote campaign doesn't appear to have worked ....
For goodness sake the troubadour you comment on Corbyn be Socialist and Marxist leaning and so what??
For goodness sake how naive is that nonsense. Even allowing for any occasional queries the Conservative corner did what your Labour lot did NOT do while in power for years. Did they greatly change what was paid in taxation - nope they didn't but the Conservatives did and they also took vast numbers into a reduced or in cases no tax position. Neither do you take note like Corbyn the top income people and how much of our tax system IS paid by them and that includes the top 2% or so that that clown ignores. Indeed they pay just over 20% of the tax income. As I have also opinionated on Labour when dumped out his increased the debt even when in office for years so tells people using their brains on the factual that you just dashed will do not click on. The freebies mentioned here are not properly as good as waffled. Those top people who pay that big level of tax income then dishing out more will reduce interest in our economy which in turn means moving somewhere else and unemployment going up. Over the last few years the more sensible Labourites have disappeared onto the back benches and the would-be Socialist nonsense be a danger to Gt Britain so I do hope Corbyn gets bumped into history.
Guess what? I have lived in what you term socialist countries in Nor then Europe and discovered a far higher living standard than UK.
You are nothing if not repetitive though. There is a reason that the top pay 20% of tax, that being their income far exceeds the remaining 90 odd % and is small bikkies on real income which is rarely declared and not a few through creative accounting manage to pay next to no tax at all. No sanction on them though. The billions disappearing into overseas 'black holes' nothing either. I don't think the super rich need you to defend them. They are more than capable of running own affairs to the determent of the rest of society but suppose they'll accept any help to further their self obsessed cause.
The well-funded advertising/branding/marketing/propaganda of the People's Vote campaign doesn't appear to have worked ....
You mean the tabloid campaign and their right wing backers and an assortment of business interest, that want the present status quo to remain and wiling to shovel loads of lucre in that direction to ensure it does. The creation of fear and angst among the many while repeating the same few lines, mostly lies , keeping the message simple , just goes further to the argument around the feasibility of the longer term democratic system and how it has been hijacked .
Why does it hurt you more than them ?
If they're considerably richer than you they pay a greater percentage of their income than you.
As a result of being rich they probably employ far more people than you who will also be paying tax that otherwise might not be paid to enable your tax level to be lower.
Envy is such a horrible trait.
But very Labour.
That's just it the richer don't pay their tax. Not to the same per cent as a person on wages or who cannot afford tax mineralisation accountants.
What those types need to recognise is they are not' specially chosen people ', where they have the right through wealth to under mine the system, a system, which in fact supports them as much in various ways.
Envy is the product created in spades by the present economic system as a way for it to function. It is not the lot of the typical working person, besides can recall when average British people were not over burdened by material gain unlike their Anglo cousins in America and Australia, and all the better and more humane for it.
Labour is the only apparent way to at least have a stab at restoring some of those values. More of the same, then keep Boris at the helm.
The Anglo Saxon sphere United more Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong is much stronger than China and Russia.
The EU is a basket case, unfortunately.
Well Hong Kong is China and Taiwan is recognised by next to no one, because of China. Most of Asia's trade is with China, with the latter country dominating smaller countries like Cambodia and Laos in a very big way, and having increasing influence over most the rest of Asia and Pacific and Africa.
So no. Not much stronger and very different approaches.
I'd be very surprised Dave if one person in a hundred that you stopped in the street knew anything at all about his past history other than what they read in the Daily Mail and that's the impression they get left with, because he doesn't rise to their bait. Perhaps he should. Integrity is a rarity these days and when people are confronted with it they automatically assume there's something fishy about it. That's a sad indictment of our times and our media.
I can easily understand why people think him dull, lacking in charisma and maybe not a PM but to actively dislike him? No, I can't see why that should be.
Corbyn is just the amicable front man geoff. Ask the Jews why they are so frightened of this man coming into office. Just go online, and read his political history. You're right, most ordinary people probably know little about what Corbyn has been about his entire political career. He is a professional againster, and was a joke in Labour circles for decades.
Some Labour idiot, thought it was a real funny joke to put Corbyn up for leadership of the Labour party. Whoever it was, didn't seem to realise how the voting system had changed. Now, the party members hold the cards. They were the ones who ensured this idiot got the job as leader of the Labour party, and now they can't get rid of him.
He is a man with no real opinion of his own. He listens in committee, and goes along with that. He would be a disaster as PM. His string pullers would call the shots, and Corbyn would obey their commands. The real bosses would be the likes of John McDonnell, Diane Abbott, and Len McCluskey. Do you ever wonder why he keeps an idiot like Abbott so close? I sure do.
We don't need a puppet as Prime Minister. They will spend borrowed money like there is no tomorrow. The doors will be left open for even more immigration from the third world. They can't wait for even more 'diversity', even though they can see the mess from previous waves of third world immigration. The Labour party don't give a damn for the British ordinary working class. Some, like Emily Thornberry, even laugh at them.
Like it or lump it, we are stuck with the Tories, until Labour somehow manage to get back to being the party of the ordinary people. If that day doesn't come, they will become an insignificant political party like the Liberal Democrats.
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