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I remember the atrocity in Halabja in 1988 when Saddam used a chemical weapon on the Kurds. Between 3,200 & 5,000 people died and are still dying because of that criminal act.
Will have to read about that Alibion, as dont know the history.. do remember something on the news about that time..... many countries have dropped chemical weapons, coloured agents on thousands without being brought down..funny how different rules for differerent countries on causing torture on innocents, hellish way to fight a war but happens..
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Will have to read about that Alibion, as dont know the history.. do remember something on the news about that time..... many countries have dropped chemical weapons, coloured agents on thousands without being brought down..funny how different rules for differerent countries on causing torture on innocents, hellish way to fight a war but happens..
You're right dizzy, and so is Albion. Saddam used chemical weapons, and the world is a better place without him. I just don't see what getting rid of him had to do with us, and the Americans.
There were no Iraqi terrorists flying those planes into the twin towers. But, someone had to pay for it. The American public wanted revenge for this awful event. Saddam was the fall guy - literally.
I think you're talking about Agent Orange, which the Americans used in Vietnam. This also is thought to have caused cancer among the people of Vietnam.
I think President Bush was pushed into invading Iraq by Dick Chaney and Donald Rumsfeld. They were the puppet masters. Tony Blair was flattered by all the attention he received, and came under great pressure to commit us into going along with America. He made a massive mistake, but still tries to convince himself he was right to do so. I guess he will spend the rest of his life confirming this to himself.
You're right dizzy, and so is Albion. Saddam used chemical weapons, and the world is a better place without him. I just don't see what getting rid of him had to do with us, and the Americans.
There were no Iraqi terrorists flying those planes into the twin towers. But, someone had to pay for it. The American public wanted revenge for this awful event. Saddam was the fall guy - literally.
I think you're talking about Agent Orange, which the Americans used in Vietnam. This also is thought to have caused cancer among the people of Vietnam.
I think President Bush was pushed into invading Iraq by Dick Chaney and Donald Rumsfeld. They were the puppet masters. Tony Blair was flattered by all the attention he received, and came under great pressure to commit us into going along with America. He made a massive mistake, but still tries to convince himself he was right to do so. I guess he will spend the rest of his life confirming this to himself.
yes Dave Ive always thought Sadaam was the Patsy.. for the twin towers.. shameful... even if he was some kind of warlord in his own country.. there were other agents Dave, not just Orange used on civilians and that should never be forgotten, there are people still suffering today .. not only did they harm innocent civilians they harmed and killed US personnel too.. http://www.agentorangerecord.com/ima...1537(2)(1).pdf this shows the different agents used and what they did.
That's absolutely untrue, as 3000 Americans died long before Bush ever invaded Iraq, and there were numerous terror attacks prior to that. It would be ridiculous to think that it would have stopped without an invasion of Iraq.
Those Americans died also because Washington didn't want to leave the Middle East alone. It is not like the US didn't interfere with ME affairs, sometimes "changing regimes", before 911.
Trust me, the Arabs had no intention to harm Americans before America started to intervene in each and every event in the region tens of thousands miles away. You can't expect no consequences. It is karma. I am actually surprised there were not many terrorist attacks caused by Latin American countries considering how meddling America has been.
Those 3000 lives are on Washington's policies, not Iraq.
I remember the atrocity in Halabja in 1988 when Saddam used a chemical weapon on the Kurds. Between 3,200 & 5,000 people died and are still dying because of that criminal act.
That number is small, very small, in comparison to the deaths that occurred due to the power vacuum left by the ouster of Saddam.
Also, something it seems many people forget or do not know; the chemical weapons attack was during the Iraq-Iran war, the Kurds sided with Iran, and the US provided intel data to Iraq to target chemical weapon attacks, and even tried to blame Iran for the attacks. Additionally, you can just go and look at who provided these weapons to Iraq, with the US removing Iraq off the state sponsored terror list so they could legally export dual use material.
Iraq of course is ultimately responsible, however, Iraq's use of chemical weapons was not in a bubble, they had plenty of support.
That number is small, very small, in comparison to the deaths that occurred due to the power vacuum left by the ouster of Saddam.
Also, something it seems many people forget or do not know; the chemical weapons attack was during the Iraq-Iran war, the Kurds sided with Iran, and the US provided intel data to Iraq to target chemical weapon attacks, and even tried to blame Iran for the attacks. Additionally, you can just go and look at who provided these weapons to Iraq, with the US removing Iraq off the state sponsored terror list so they could legally export dual use material.
Iraq of course is ultimately responsible, however, Iraq's use of chemical weapons was not in a bubble, they had plenty of support.
Most people are too brainwashed to realize that. They still stupidly hold the view that removing a merciless dictator should be something to celebrate.
It is extremely hypocritical for people to say "we had to invade Iraq because Saddam was killing his people" - really? That was the reason, to save innocent people? Why doesn't the US/UK go to war to save lives in millions of Africans under various sorts of government oppression? Why doesn't the US remove the Kings of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain to stop them from killing dissidents (instead US/UK is BFF with those kings)?
And like you said, the death and misery caused by removal of Saddam is far more than that caused by the Saddam regime - yet they don't do the math and pretend the war did the world a favour and Iraqis are living a better, promising life now. It is sickening to even hear "Saddam/Bassad must go" because these people are clueless about the political situation in those countries and what kind of disastrous consequence the region will suffer from removal of those dictators.
The Iraqi war is completely unjustified, out of pure aggression, and the cons massively outweighs the pros. Bush and Blair should be prosecuted and put in prison.
The Iraqi war is completely unjustified, out of pure aggression, and the cons massively outweighs the pros. Bush and Blair should be prosecuted and put in prison.
In the United States, Bush and Cheney had the CIA unleash a weaponized anthrax attack through the mail service one week after 9/11. That was the extra push needed to convince citizens that dictators like Saddam Hussein might be harboring "weapons of mass destruction". Of course the whole thing seems laughable now especially to anyone who's ever heard of Operation Northwoods.
I'm being deadly serious. One week after 9/11 a mysterious weaponized anthrax attack occurred in the U.S. that killed 5 people.
I live in the United States and I remember it well. I also remember that it was the work of a crackpot scientist, not an orchestrated act of terror initiated by the government. Like I said, conspiracy theories are a waste of time.
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You don't think Americans would have gone along with the reckless plan to invade Iraq if they weren't manipulated in to doing so do you?
Yes, I do. Because Americans had watched Saddam Hussein shooting at Americans almost daily from 1991 until 2003.
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It is sickening to even hear "Saddam/Bassad must go" because these people are clueless about the political situation in those countries and what kind of disastrous consequence the region will suffer from removal of those dictators. 
