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Old 11-15-2016, 06:12 PM
 
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If Trump were to succeed he would make a big mess.

A description from the topic of geopolitics-The-Neighbor-One-Cannot-Avoid

For the USA, that neighbor is Mexico.

Conceivably, the USA might negotiate with the other grouping that Mexico belongs to-the Pacific Alliance. This grouping includes not only the neighbor-who-cannot-be-avoided, but also the highly desirable trade partner of Chile.

Or negotiate a new bilateral agreement with Mexico.

Then there is Canada.....

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Old 11-15-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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Specifically in the case of NAFTA...there is a failure to think things through.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:19 PM
 
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I suspect that the USA will pay a political price in supporting Brexit Britain-EU mandarins will not be pleased.

But a BFF relationship means that you will offer support when it is not convenient or expedient or comfortable.
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Old 11-16-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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The French actually have a substantial armed forces including nuclear weapons, and along with Britain are the two countries who actually spend the most in Europe. It's the Germans, Italians, Spanish etc who need to spend a great deal more.
So i provide evidence they do such thing in regards to Nato, you are unable to refute it, but make something up anyway because you don't like it. Again more kool aid drinking me thinks.

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Companies will build cheap mass produced goods anywhere where labour costs are cheap, it's called market forces. It costs more to make such cheap goods in the West, if you don't want free trade and want goods made in America then expect to pay more for them.
Again, i provide evidence as to why it nothing to do with market forces & everything to with globalised government policy. Nothing "FREE" about any of that trade you speak of. Fyi, seeing as you are into "bigging up" France, answer me why has french industry not moved to China/India? Why have french banks ( based in France ) not set up call centres in Bangladesh? Acording to your logic, they must have done so, i mean it's... dun dun....DAAAAH! Market forces! Yup, have another sip.


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The exception being high end goods and services, however high end goods and services are in areas such as Silcon Valley and NYC rather than the so-called rust belt. Spending on infrastructure might create some much needed jobs in these areas, but I simply don't believe Trump can simply fund this from short changing investors, it's more likely that money will have to be borrowed to fund such schemes. Trump's own companies have outsourced in the past and have bought cheaper materials from abroad.

As for Companies Taxes, most large companies are multinational, they have HQ's in different locations and I doubt Trump can really stop this, indeed previous regimes have tried, but they can simply open overseas subsidiary companies independent of the US.

What Trump has actually stated is that he will cut corporation tax on companies which may help attract some companies back to the US but only if it's financialy viable to do so.
Phew, a sensible quote for me to respond to Yes that is what i have been saying, is Trump brave enough?
Again, the reason large corporations have HQ all over the place is due to tax avoidence, you don't think anyone is based in Ireland because it's "nice". Trump will need to play "carrot & stick". With a lot more emphasis on the stick
Ireland's Corporate Tax Rates - IDA Ireland

Previous regimes have NOT tried. Obama flat out lied! All his policies & trade deals encouraged them to move out & take jobs with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ttxGMQOrY

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We have just voted for Brexit on precisely that issue.
No we didn't! BREXIT was just a vote to leave the EU. Nothing to do with trade.


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I am not sure what the UN has to do with this and $3 Billion is not a massive amount in terms of US GDP.

As for infrastructure, it usually includes such things as ports, airports, railways, roads, utilities such as gas, electricity and water, and much of the funding for these services comes from either profits reinvested in infrastructure or from taxes, sometimes direct taxes such as road tax, higher rail fares, tv license etc etc.

There are private companies involved, the alternative is socialism and nationalised industries which the UK used to have, but Americans aren't often comfortable with this and investrment was often below neccesary levels when we had nationalised industries, with many being not as productive and competitive as they should have been and many were eventually undercut by cheaper foreign markets such as the South Korean ship building industry.
Well that's true, not a great ammount, however you can make a huge return from 3 billion invested correctly. Remember Trump started as a millionare & is now a billionare

Again, i feel i need to jog your memory, in the UK, the railways, utilities & airports were sold for peanuts by a government to pay for thier short term plans. Now we are reaping the rewards, or rather lack of.
Royal Mail was the latest fiasco, this is not the rocket science you seem to think it is.
The reason we are undercut is due to weak government, look at the steel fiasco we recently had. This had nothing to do with productivity/competetivity. It had everything to do with idiots in government kowtowing to scamming, cheating foreign governments!
The asset stripping of companies forced to sell to foreign scammers, has nothing to do with productivity. Again it has everything to do with lying cheating politians & a general public that are too stupid to realise what is going on, so they keep voting for them. smh.
Fastest Asset Stripping Of The UK Ever As Economic Policies Fail To Deliver - TruePublica
https://www.ft.com/content/08ce87aa-...0-67655613c2d6
Fury at Royal Mail sell-off as public left in the dark over who bought £750m worth of shares - Mirror Online
https://www.ft.com/content/1cb06d30-...e-00144feabdc0
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Old 11-17-2016, 04:42 AM
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So i provide evidence they do such thing in regards to Nato, you are unable to refute it, but make something up anyway because you don't like it. Again more kool aid drinking me thinks.
16 Air Assault Brigade (UK) and 11e Parachute Brigade (France) form part of the land based Combined Joint Expeditionary Force and there are also joint Naval and Air Units.

Partnership: 16 Air Assault Brigade and 11e Brigade Parachutiste - British Army Website

Together, France and the UK account for half of all military spending in the EU, and two thirds of research and development

The French have cooperated with the UK in a number of treaties and defence deals aimed at strengthening European and NATO Defence such as the 2010 Lancaster House Treaties. France is our closest partner in Europe when it comes to Defence and has very good military forces and a very good defence industry.

The Lancaster House Treaties (2010) - Wiki

UK-French defence cooperation reaffirmed on fifth anniversary of Lancaster House Agreement

Defence Secretary announces UK-French missile cooperation

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Old 11-17-2016, 04:47 AM
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Again, i provide evidence as to why it nothing to do with market forces & everything to with globalised government policy. Nothing "FREE" about any of that trade you speak of. Fyi, seeing as you are into "bigging up" France, answer me why has french industry not moved to China/India? Why have french banks ( based in France ) not set up call centres in Bangladesh? Acording to your logic, they must have done so, i mean it's... dun dun....DAAAAH! Market forces! Yup, have another sip.
It has

Romania is the new Morocco: the new French outsourcing capital of the world | TELUS International Europe Blog

Outsourcing for a French Multinational: Michelin and its Service Providers | The Shared Services & Outsourcing Network (SSON)

https://www.outsource2india.com/why_...allCenters.asp

Ford has just abnnounced it's pressing ahead with moving all small car production to Mexico despite Trump becoming President.

Ford to push ahead with Mexico move despite Trump threat - BBC News
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Old 11-17-2016, 04:56 AM
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Phew, a sensible quote for me to respond to Yes that is what i have been saying, is Trump brave enough?
Again, the reason large corporations have HQ all over the place is due to tax avoidence, you don't think anyone is based in Ireland because it's "nice". Trump will need to play "carrot & stick". With a lot more emphasis on the stick
Ireland's Corporate Tax Rates - IDA Ireland

Previous regimes have NOT tried. Obama flat out lied! All his policies & trade deals encouraged them to move out & take jobs with them.
You are aware of the current rulings regarding Corportation Tax in Ireland and the US Fury at the EU's Decision.

Apple should repay Ireland 13bn euros, European Commission rules - BBC News

Europe's 'unfair' Apple tax ruling sparks US anger - BBC News

Whilst some companies may set up HQ's in the US other will continue to have HQ's in places where there is no corporation tax or simply put a brass plaque up declaring this is there HQ, there are lots of ways around corportation tax. Furthermore countries such as Ireland may cut their corportation tax back even further and the cost of shiftng offices and staff would mean that there is unlikely to be a mass exodus back to the US. Furthermore HQ's are often regional, companies will have a European HQ, an Asian HQ, a South American HQ and as already stated large multinational companies often operate an umbrella of smaller subsidiary companies.

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Old 11-17-2016, 05:08 AM
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No we didn't! BREXIT was just a vote to leave the EU. Nothing to do with trade.
The EU is a Customs Union based on Trade, leaving the EU had everything to do with being able to make global independent Free Trade Agreements.
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Old 11-17-2016, 05:17 AM
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Well that's true, not a great ammount, however you can make a huge return from 3 billion invested correctly. Remember Trump started as a millionare & is now a billionare
It's up to the US how much they want to pay to the UN.

As for Trump, his Dad Fred Trump built and operated some 27,000 apartments in NYC and was one of the wealthiest men in NYC, the equivalent today of a billionaire.

Fred Trump - Wiki

Did a 'small loan' from Dad launch Trump's career? - CNN.com

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Old 11-17-2016, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by kas982

Again, i feel i need to jog your memory, in the UK, the railways, utilities & airports were sold for peanuts by a government to pay for thier short term plans. Now we are reaping the rewards, or rather lack of.
Royal Mail was the latest fiasco, this is not the rocket science you seem to think it is.
The reason we are undercut is due to weak government, look at the steel fiasco we recently had. This had nothing to do with productivity/competetivity. It had everything to do with idiots in government kowtowing to scamming, cheating foreign governments!
The asset stripping of companies forced to sell to foreign scammers, has nothing to do with productivity. Again it has everything to do with lying cheating politians & a general public that are too stupid to realise what is going on, so they keep voting for them. smh.
Fastest Asset Stripping Of The UK Ever As Economic Policies Fail To Deliver - TruePublica
https://www.ft.com/content/08ce87aa-...0-67655613c2d6
Fury at Royal Mail sell-off as public left in the dark over who bought £750m worth of shares - Mirror Online
https://www.ft.com/content/1cb06d30-...e-00144feabdc0
I am well aware that utilities were sold off in the UK, and as I pointed out many utilities and services were not properly invested in under nationalisation.

What I was stating is that such infrastructure needs constant investment, something which we have recently seen more of with Crossrail, Northern Line and Tube upgrades. HS2, the London Super Sewer, Birmingham New Station, Transpenine Tunnel and Northern Powerhouse Transport Investment plan, Heathrow Investment and Expansion, Manchester Airport Expansion plans, the New Nuclear Power Stations paid for by the private sector, new biomass power stations, investment in renewable energy, smart motorways and numerous other such projects. Many of these projects are a mix of public and private sector money, and reinvestment of a percentage of profits back in to infrastructure such as rail companies paying Network Rail. This is how infrastructure works ad is improved, and infrastructure is something that needs constant improvement and which can not be neglected due to short termism tax cuts or companies being allowed to not invest in the upkeep of such facilities.

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