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The ideal for me would that religious indoctrination should be entirely left out of schooling. Schools obtaining state funding should be doing nothing but implementing a secular state curriculum that does not teach any theism, or atheism, as being true.
Schools should be about teaching what we have actual reason to think is true (science, maths, history, geography) and what we think is useful (literature, languages, cultures). The only places religion should be relevant there is in terms of history, geography, and literature and the effects religion has had on them....... and in the study of cultures and world religions.
If people want their personal hobby.... be it Islam or Christianity...... included in the education of children then they should do it in their MANY club houses like churches and mosques. But unsubstantiated nonsense, such as the existence of a non-human intelligent intentional agency that created our universe and is obsessed over who you sleep with, how, and in what position........ should have no place in our state curriculums whatsoever.
And I doubt, though I remain open minded, that the solution to radicals and sectarian hatred is to INCREASE the quantity of segregation and separation going on.
Its them who dont want to mix... they have schools and even nurseries here in Glasgow for Muslim kids..
Unfortunately there is a problem with religion in general in Glasgow and much of the west of Scotland.The Protestant/Catholic thing is way worse than here in England.After all Celtic v Rangers is largely a religious based thing,though a bit less so since Rangers signed Catholics(first one in 1989!!!).Muslim schools and nurseries only add to what is still a problem.Even if it has reduced a bit.
Unfortunately there is a problem with religion in general in Glasgow and much of the west of Scotland.The Protestant/Catholic thing is way worse than here in England.After all Celtic v Rangers is largely a religious based thing,though a bit less so since Rangers signed Catholics(first one in 1989!!!).Muslim schools and nurseries only add to what is still a problem.Even if it has reduced a bit.
Wrong!
The catholic/protestant thing in the West of Scotland is grossly overstated.
Further, Rangers have signed catholics right through their history. Here are just a few examples:
Archie 'Punch' Kyle 1904
Willie Kivlichan 1906
Colin Mainds 1906
Tom Murray 1907
Pat Lafferty 1886
Tom Dunbar 1891
J Tutty 1899 - 1900
William Brown 1912
Joe Donnachie c.1914
John Jackson 1917
Laurie Blyth 1951
Don Kichenbrand 1955
Hugh O'Neill 1976
John Spencer 1984
Mo Johnstone 1989.
The catholic/protestant thing in the West of Scotland is grossly overstated.
Further, Rangers have signed catholics right through their history. Here are just a few examples:
Archie 'Punch' Kyle 1904
Willie Kivlichan 1906
Colin Mainds 1906
Tom Murray 1907
Pat Lafferty 1886
Tom Dunbar 1891
J Tutty 1899 - 1900
William Brown 1912
Joe Donnachie c.1914
John Jackson 1917
Laurie Blyth 1951
Don Kichenbrand 1955
Hugh O'Neill 1976
John Spencer 1984
Mo Johnstone 1989.
15 in 85 years,one just under every 6 years.Also i bet they didnt know half of them were.Danny McGrain was Rangers daft as a kid,but the club didnt want to know,and so he signed for Celtic.Its well known that is because Rangers suspected,wrongly as it turned out,he was Catholic.
The Catholic/Protestant thing is miles worse in Western Scotland.There are a few orange marches in England each year.Just about every town in Western Scotland has one.In Larkhall they even break the green traffic lights.There are also republican marches in towns such as Coatbridge.Glasgow has several,even Edinburgh has one of them.
As i said with the peace process in Ireland and the Old Firm playing mixed teams,now with many overseas players,it is reducing.A very good friend of mine lives in Drumchapel,Old Firm match days arent for the faint hearted.While there are plenty of hooligans following English clubs,religion is not a part of it.
Unfortunately there is a problem with religion in general in Glasgow and much of the west of Scotland.The Protestant/Catholic thing is way worse than here in England.After all Celtic v Rangers is largely a religious based thing,though a bit less so since Rangers signed Catholics(first one in 1989!!!).Muslim schools and nurseries only add to what is still a problem.Even if it has reduced a bit.
I doubt very much if that has anything to do with the Muslims... Have a read about Govanhill and the school with not one single Scottish child.. they dont want to mix and this only creates more problems..
I doubt very much if that has anything to do with the Muslims... Have a read about Govanhill and the school with not one single Scottish child.. they dont want to mix and this only creates more problems..
I dont think i possibly answered that too well.What i meant is in a city of religious tensions,the addition of a religion that wont,in the main integrate is certainly a recipe for disaster.Theres already Palestine flags at Celtic.Thats the Celtic fans not Muslims,but it only takes Muslims to get a hold of that and we have them and Rangers,whose fans claim are the club of the UK forces and all hell could break loose.
They dont integrate in my nearest big town,Middlesbrough either,they live in the centre of town and are surrounded by huge estates of whites.Like self imposed segregation.But i doubt they would get their own school,unless it was private,though some town centre schools are majority Muslim now.Still enough whites in much of the centre,many victims of Pakistani absentee landlords.
Someone seems to have voted yes to the poll.some odd folk about
15 in 85 years,one just under every 6 years.Also i bet they didnt know half of them were.Danny McGrain was Rangers daft as a kid,but the club didnt want to know,and so he signed for Celtic.Its well known that is because Rangers suspected,wrongly as it turned out,he was Catholic.
The Catholic/Protestant thing is miles worse in Western Scotland.There are a few orange marches in England each year.Just about every town in Western Scotland has one.In Larkhall they even break the green traffic lights.There are also republican marches in towns such as Coatbridge.Glasgow has several,even Edinburgh has one of them.
As i said with the peace process in Ireland and the Old Firm playing mixed teams,now with many overseas players,it is reducing.A very good friend of mine lives in Drumchapel,Old Firm match days arent for the faint hearted.While there are plenty of hooligans following English clubs,religion is not a part of it.
Muslim schools and nurseries dont help.
Those were examples and not an exhaustive list.
I have been going to OF matches since the 1960s, never had a problem or felt threatened.
The whole thing is that schools should be for education and only education , and not to fill childrens heads with religious nonsense...if thats what some want there are churches for this sort of thing.... faith schools should be banned.
[quote=other99;45745122]You can have a case of schools that should not be religious focused but how about state secular schools striving to match academic standards of religious schools?
Also Paul Barber, director of the Catholic Education Service said: “Catholic schools outperform the national average English and Maths SATs scores by six percentage points, this is an immense achievement considering our primary schools are more ethnically diverse than the average school and take in significantly more children from the most disadvantaged backgrounds.
Official figures published by the Department for Education showed that more than five in 10 of the top performing primaries were Church of England, Roman Catholic or Jewish schools.
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/leaguetables/ Also a very large proportion of the students go there are not Christian/Jewish either, but their parents want them to go there due to that aspect.
I can't see there are Muslim schools that are performing academically better than the state government schools, but even so schools chief aim should be to improve the academic standards of their students.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a mystery - its because when you look at children who ended up in those schools you are actually selecting for motivated parents. Parental involvement in pupil's education, including attentiveness to homework, attending parent meetings, and all the usual paraphernalia, is a strong indicator of educational success and can even overcomes economic correlations. Those kids don't randomly end up in those schools - its motivated parents (including poor motivated parents) putting them there - so your sample ends up biased.
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