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View Poll Results: Should the be more muslim state schools in the UK?
Yes 2 5.56%
No 34 94.44%
Not Sure 0 0%
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Old 10-06-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK/Swanage, UK
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Here's is a link to the BBC article give it a read:
Should there be more Muslim state schools? - BBC News


The British Government want to build more Muslim state Schools in order to reduce radicalism. However, I personally think this is a completely bad idea, in fact, I think there should be a ban on all faith schools. School should be focused on English, Maths, Sciences, Physical Education and other rational subjects like Life Skills. Religion should be only a domestic thing.

Also, don't care what your religion is, or how you want to express it, I just think that all teachings of religion should be stripped away from the school curriculum, as its all believe, not fact. RE should be a chosen subject, and most teachings of religion should be taught outside of schools. The government should not waste public money on the non-rational subject that causes wars anyway (that's for all religions by the way!), particularly schools that see a particular religion as more important than rational (science!)!


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Old 10-07-2016, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Everyone should intergrate in respoect of education, thereby helping communities intergrate in to wider society.
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:55 AM
 
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Looks like segregation to me. Isn't that somewhat frowned upon?
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Old 10-07-2016, 10:07 AM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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Here's is a link to the BBC article give it a read:
Should there be more Muslim state schools? - BBC News


The British Government want to build more Muslim state Schools in order to reduce radicalism. However, I personally think this is a completely bad idea, in fact, I think there should be a ban on all faith schools. School should be focused on English, Maths, Sciences, Physical Education and other rational subjects like Life Skills. Religion should be only a domestic thing.

Also, don't care what your religion is, or how you want to express it, I just think that all teachings of religion should be stripped away from the school curriculum, as its all believe, not fact. RE should be a chosen subject, and most teachings of religion should be taught outside of schools. The government should not waste public money on the non-rational subject that causes wars anyway (that's for all religions by the way!), particularly schools that see a particular religion as more important than rational (science!)!


What do you think?
What do I think?

I think they should teach what "rational" means to everyone in public or private education by 6th form.

Leibnizian Cosmological Argument
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/on...cal-arguments/

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Old 10-07-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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I don't think there should be any 'religious' state schools. Catholic, jewish, C of E, muslim, etc.. They should all be non-denominational and secular. If people want religious education then they should make private arrangements.
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Old 10-07-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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I don't think there should be any 'religious' state schools. Catholic, jewish, C of E, muslim, etc.. They should all be non-denominational and secular. If people want religious education then they should make private arrangements.


You can have a case of schools that should not be religious focused but how about state secular schools striving to match academic standards of religious schools?

Also Paul Barber, director of the Catholic Education Service said: “Catholic schools outperform the national average English and Maths SATs scores by six percentage points, this is an immense achievement considering our primary schools are more ethnically diverse than the average school and take in significantly more children from the most disadvantaged backgrounds.

Official figures published by the Department for Education showed that more than five in 10 of the top performing primaries were Church of England, Roman Catholic or Jewish schools.
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/leaguetables/ Also a very large proportion of the students go there are not Christian/Jewish either, but their parents want them to go there due to that aspect.

I can't see there are Muslim schools that are performing academically better than the state government schools, but even so schools chief aim should be to improve the academic standards of their students.

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Old 10-07-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
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I don't think there should be any 'religious' state schools. Catholic, jewish, C of E, muslim, etc.. They should all be non-denominational and secular. If people want religious education then they should make private arrangements.
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The state shouldn't encourage RE. Leave that to the private sector. Focus on a comprehensive education and leave such a divisive subject-matter for elsewhere.
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Old 10-07-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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You can have a case of schools that should not be religious focused but how about state secular schools striving to match academic standards of religious schools?

Also Paul Barber, director of the Catholic Education Service said: “Catholic schools outperform the national average English and Maths SATs scores by six percentage points, this is an immense achievement considering our primary schools are more ethnically diverse than the average school and take in significantly more children from the most disadvantaged backgrounds.

Official figures published by the Department for Education showed that more than five in 10 of the top performing primaries were Church of England, Roman Catholic or Jewish schools.

Also a very large proportion of the students go there are not Christian/Jewish either, but their parents want them to go there due to that aspect.

I can't see there are Muslim schools that are performing academically better than the state government schools, but even so schools chief aim should be to improve the academic standards of their students.
That is because faith schools operate a "back door social selection".

"The results from the faith school sector shows what happens when schools do not operate on a level playing field and are skewed towards serving the affluent, rather than deprived."

"many people of faith are appalled that schools that should focus on the poor have instead become so elitist. If people want selection, then be upfront and call for Grammar Schools – but do not use religion as a mask for it."

http://accordcoalition.org.uk/2013/1...ial-selection/

Do religious schools teach hypocrisy as well?
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Old 10-07-2016, 04:36 PM
 
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That is because faith schools operate a "back door social selection".

"The results from the faith school sector shows what happens when schools do not operate on a level playing field and are skewed towards serving the affluent, rather than deprived."

"many people of faith are appalled that schools that should focus on the poor have instead become so elitist. If people want selection, then be upfront and call for Grammar Schools – but do not use religion as a mask for it."

Faith schools performance due to back door social selection | Accord Coalition

Do religious schools teach hypocrisy as well?
There are faith schools that are elitist, and there are schools that cost tens of thousands of pounds, but that their parents choice to send their students there. But there is a lot of faith based schools that are not like that. Many, many faith schools out there are poor.

Anyway despite the increased secularism society and more and more people not seeing themselves as Christian, Christian school numbers and amount of students have increased. This trend is not just in the UK, but overseas as well including my country. It due to the reasons I posted previously.
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Old 10-07-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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Primary school tables: faith schools dominating rankings

Pretty impressive isn't it? There seems to be a great deal of demand for them because of their elite status. Also quite funny that parents are starting to attend Church just so that their kids can meet the entrance criteria for their dream school.

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There are faith schools that are elitist, and there are schools that cost tens of thousands of pounds, but that their parents choice to send their students there. But there is a lot of faith based schools that are not like that. Many, many faith schools out there are poor.

Anyway despite the increased secularism society and more and more people not seeing themselves as Christian, Christian school numbers and amount of students have increased. This trend is not just in the UK, but overseas as well including my country. It due to the reasons I posted previously.
CofE schools are generally socioeconomically inclusive, yet they still outperform the national average by a significant margin.
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