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and rid of all of us ,we need more people to speak up the way the late Hitchens did. He wanted children to think for themselves, the way it should be..
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and rid of all of us ,we need more people to speak up the way the late Hitchens did.
Some do for sure. How many, and how influential, who truly knows? My impression of Muslims in Britain is that many are just ordinary people trying to live their lives in peace.
But, there is a group who make a lot of noise, and some seem to listen. Jailed cleric Anjem Choudary, has been mouthing off for decades. He opened his mouth once too often.........
He isn't the only one. There seems to be a rule of fear imposed by some on other Muslims. Some are accused of not being Muslim enough. Some get killed for speaking out in various ways.
A Muslim murdered a shopkeeper for not being a true Muslim.......
This is just some of what we are trying to deal with in Britain today. There are lots of others. Allowing more Muslim faith schools would make a difficult situation even worse. We already have 'parallel' societies in Britain, and after all these years of Muslim immigration, the situation shows little sign of improvement.
Some do for sure. How many, and how influential, who truly knows? My impression of Muslims in Britain is that many are just ordinary people trying to live their lives in peace.
But, there is a group who make a lot of noise, and some seem to listen. Jailed cleric Anjem Choudary, has been mouthing off for decades. He opened his mouth once too often.........
He isn't the only one. There seems to be a rule of fear imposed by some on other Muslims. Some are accused of not being Muslim enough. Some get killed for speaking out in various ways.
A Muslim murdered a shopkeeper for not being a true Muslim.......
This is just some of what we are trying to deal with in Britain today. There are lots of others. Allowing more Muslim faith schools would make a difficult situation even worse. We already have 'parallel' societies in Britain, and after all these years of Muslim immigration, the situation shows little sign of improvement.
They all need deprogrammed and yes I feel sorry for the Muslims in fear of their own..as you say the shopkeeper in Glasgow who had put happy Easter greetings to his customers... seems to have been a lovely man who tried to integrate and was well liked... he was murdered.
This doesn't explain why faith schools achieve academic standards to the degree that they attract these families in the first place.
Organizations such as the BHA argue that this is based on systematic exclusion of underprivileged families, but any claim like that needs to be underpinned by statistical analysis to rule out a number of important confounders. From the studies I've read so far, I've not seen this.
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Students with involved parents motivated for their academic success, as a population, raise children who academically succeed. Parents who move to get their children into, for example, catholic schools, are already.... involved parents motivated for their children's academic success. You don't just drift into a catholic school.
In contrast, a bog-standard state school with a catchment area by post code gets the mix of motivated, indifferent, and destructive parents.
A catholic school on the whole contains a biased sample when you compare its results with state school averages, because its a self-selecting motivated group. Its also a self-supporting phenomenon, it only needs a couple of years of good results in a row for word to spread. The academic achievement doesn't exist independent of the (involved parents) students attending the school (so that it "attracts" such students in the "first place"), its a product of them.
Of course, the catholic school still has to teach academics, not just dogma. An islamic school that just teaches dogma, not academics, isn't going to have the same results.
The review article below is the only meta-analysis I could find that addresses both ideas:
1. That faith schools are more successful because they select for more affluent or parentally-involved families.
2. That the effort of faith-matching a school for one's children implies greater parental involvement than on average.
It's a rigorous examination of 90 studies showing religious schools outperforming both traditional public and charter schools when correcting for socioeconomic capital, cultural and racial composition, parental involvement, selectivity and other variables.
Because it's a US-based study the religious schools are private, but this is accommodated for by controls and (in the absence of good reasons otherwise) it gives explanatory power for the dominance of their state-funded equivalents in the UK.
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The review article below is the only meta-analysis I could find that addresses both ideas:
1. That faith schools are more successful because they select for more affluent or parentally-involved families.
2. That the effort of faith-matching a school for one's children implies greater parental involvement than on average.
It's a rigorous examination of 90 studies showing religious schools outperforming both traditional public and charter schools when correcting for socioeconomic capital, cultural and racial composition, parental involvement, selectivity and other variables.
Because it's a US-based study the religious schools are private, but this is accommodated for by controls and (in the absence of good reasons otherwise) it gives explanatory power for the dominance of their state-funded equivalents in the UK.
So do you think that religious schools perform well because they are religious or are there other factors that feed into this?
So do you think that religious schools perform well because they are religious or are there other factors that feed into this?
A clue from the review is that students in religious schools do better behaviorally (>0.33 STD with sophisticated controls) and attain a narrower academic achievement gap than in non-religious schools.
Citing evidence from separate studies, the author suggests that their academic and behavioral advantage is due to:
1. Stronger work ethic.
2. Greater culture of egalitarianism, notably of benefit to African-Americans.
3. Higher expectations and more attentive tutorship among religious educators.
4. More racially neutral expectations/demands among religious educators.
5. Active promotion of parental involvement.
He also states that traditional public schools have the edge over religious schools in terms of classroom flexibility, at least in part due to enrollment advantages, with more opportunity to take elective courses, take part in discussions and so on.
just wait until those students become jihadis. then you'll be sorry
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