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Well I do! Thats the point, the French have do what the un-elected EU bureaucrats tell them they will do, they have no say, on the other hand we are a free Democratic country, out politicians are accountable to us. We will become more prosperous outside the EU, we have the power to put this country on whatever 'track' we want it on. The French (or what we now call 'Western Germans') will do as the EU autocrats tell them.
The UK is not going to go backwards, you can dream but Brexit is done, its dusted, its over. You will see that its only 'Johnny Foreigner' that claims it was a mistake, us here in Britain are VERY happy to be out.
We are a free Democratic people in a free Democratic country.
The main benefits of Brext are two fold, as pointed pout in a recent Spectator Article -
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Originally Posted by The Spectator
The story is mainly interesting from a medical and scientific perspective, of course. Any breakthroughs in cancer treatment will eventually save millions of lives. And yet, it is also interesting from a political angle as well. Many of the benefits of leaving the EU were overhyped or oversold. But BioNtech tells us there are two ways in which the UK economy can still benefit from it.
First, it allows the UK to create a more flexible, simpler regulatory structure, and one that is better suited to our needs, and avoids the ‘if in doubt ban it’ bureaucracy that dominates the rest of Europe.
Second, the UK can use that to become a laboratory for advanced science and technology. Life sciences are the most obvious example of that, partly because the UK was already strong in that industry.
Over time, however, it could also be true of artificial intelligence, of driverless cars, of lab-grown meats and vertical fans, of nuclear fusion, and many of the other growth industries of the next 20 years. If they can be developed first in the UK, then companies will flock here, creating well-paid jobs. And eventually some of those businesses will go out into the world and create substantial companies.
I would also suggest the same applies to finance regulations and the recently announced Edinburgh Reforms, whilst being outside of the EU allows us to seek new trade deals, such as CPTPP, whilst retaining trade with the EU through a trade deal and, and through ever more Trade and Cooperation Agreements (TAC's) which is what countries such as the US uses to trade with entities such as the EU.
On 9 December, the Chancellor of the Exchequer announced a set of reforms to drive growth and competitiveness in the financial services sector.
There is no reason why the UK can not prosper outside of the EU, and both Sunak and Starmer recognise this, as well as the need to move forward and to put Brexit behind us. The leader of the Labour Party Keir Starmer has been very clear in relation to the advantages of Brexit, as has Sunak and the Tories, whilst Starmer also recently stated that rejoining the EU would not boost economic growth for the UK, ad that there is "no case" for rejoining.
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dosent matter what you think, Brexit was over 6 years ago and the decision has been made, the Tories and now Labour have said they have no plans to take us back in and given recent events I doubt the EU would have us back.
The EU will let the UK back in when they inevitably ask. And the UK will be the EU's poster child on what happens when you leave. The real tragedy is that a generation of young Brits have had the economic rug pulled out from under them.
(And for the record, I think the EU has a tonne of problems not least being its MO has been federalism by stealth. But better to be in than out)
The EU will let the UK back in when they inevitably ask. And the UK will be the EU's poster child on what happens when you leave. The real tragedy is that a generation of young Brits have had the economic rug pulled out from under them.
(And for the record, I think the EU has a tonne of problems not least being its MO has been federalism by stealth. But better to be in than out)
it is NOT better to be in than out.
the EU was becoming too federal, thats why most people here wanted out, we did not want to belong to The United States of Europe.
it is NOT better to be in than out.
the EU was becoming too federal, thats why most people here wanted out, we did not want to belong to The United States of Europe.
I know what I mean.
the whole idea of the EU is to remove all sovereignty from member states and to end up with one country called "Europe", there would only be regions no seperate countries.
I want no part of that and that is why I voted Leave.
we were lied to by the politicians (nothing new there then), we were sold it as a simple trading arrangement, in fact the vote in 1974 was to stay in THE COMMON MARKET, there was no mention of The European Union until after the Maastrict treaty in 1990 (of which we were never allowed or even offered a vote, it was simply signed into existence with a stroke of the pen) only after that date did the true nature of The European Project become apparent to the ordinary voter.
Lots of different forecasts out there on prospects for the UK economy in 2023. Two recurring themes:
1: Not Good. 2: Of the major economies only Russia is forecast to do worse.
Forecasts of UK 23 GDP contraction range from 0.1% to 2.0%.
Ask yourself, was the UK the only country in the world to experience Covid?
Or, was the UK the only country in the world to undertake Brexit?
The UK gummint has compiled a table of forecasts by over 30 city and non-city institutions. The average is -0.9%. This is not an official gummint forecast, just an information. The link below is a dense document. The relevant info is at tables 4 and 5.
Individual countries within the EU are free to set their own rules and regulations in many instances. The 'un-elected EU bureaucrats' phrase is a misnomer oft used by the Mail and Express.
The UK has gone backwards. Trying to survive as an individual nation in today's world is not like it was in the 1960s and 70s.
Little by little the UK's influence is shrinking.
Easthome- please bear in mind that the consequences of Brexit continue to cause many problems. As for Brits being happy with it, evidence shows that a majority are now against it having happened.
Brexit has solved FAR more issues than it's caused!! It meant the UK could vaccinate it's people first for a start! But of course it has given us THE most important thing if all - Democracy and FREEDOM! You talk about 'influence' and yet you and the rest of the world are obsessed by the UK and it's Brexit decision! You also obsess over it in English! Brexit is done, it's dusted, it's over, finished, we are free and I've not met anybody that thinks it's a bad idea ! There again I'm not part of the greedy 'ekite' creaming it at the expense of the masses am I! It's nice to know that the UK is still one of the last bastions of Democracy in this planet!
Lots of different forecasts out there on prospects for the UK economy in 2023. Two recurring themes:
1: Not Good. 2: Of the major economies only Russia is forecast to do worse.
Forecasts of UK 23 GDP contraction range from 0.1% to 2.0%.
Ask yourself, was the UK the only country in the world to experience Covid?
Or, was the UK the only country in the world to undertake Brexit?
The UK gummint has compiled a table of forecasts by over 30 city and non-city institutions. The average is -0.9%. This is not an official gummint forecast, just an information. The link below is a dense document. The relevant info is at tables 4 and 5.
Ha the EU and the US are going into recession, both have high inflation and parts of the EU are expected to experience blackouts because of chronic energy shortages! The French have an 'endless crisis in French healthcare' (Macrons actual words) is that because of Brexit, is the war in Ukraine because if Brexit too? Poor EU nationals are not only facing recession but they have no political freedom to do anything about it either!
Ha the EU and the US are going into recession, both have high inflation and parts of the EU are expected to experience blackouts because of chronic energy shortages! The French have an 'endless crisis in French healthcare' (Macrons actual words) is that because of Brexit, is the war in Ukraine because if Brexit too? Poor EU nationals are not only facing recession but they have no political freedom to do anything about it either!
Scroll down to the table and you'll see the projections. You can toggle between just the G20 or all OECD.
limey easthome- Macron realises that there are problems with the French health service, Sunak is generally in denial.
I worked with the NHS for a number of years, so know aspects of it well, and the French set up is in far better shape than the UK.
The vaccination rollout could have been done under EU opt out laws.
To use your way of empasis- BREXIT IS ONGOING and more and more issues are yet to be resolved.
You talk about freedom, yet Brexit has caused the direct opposite in many practical ways, which I have mentioned before. I am concerned about the effects of Brexit because it has caused so many issues for Brits across Europe, and for those who wish to stay or work in or with the EU, many of whom I know.
What freedom have you personally experienced?
Your hardline view is becoming more and more in the minority. I do not want the UK in the EU but wake up and realise the issues it creates.
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