Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Who are you kidding.. the SNP have all their own agendas... the Israeli flag is flying over 10 Downing st... ... the flag of Ukraine was flown in Glasgow by the SNP..
Most political parties that are nationalistic (ie the SNP) are right wing in political thinking so in some cases those parties can also be anti-Semitic/ anti-Israel.
What Hamas did was horrific and Israel has a right to retaliate. There are many Palestinians in Gaza who hate Hamas but Hamas rules by fear and brutality. However, the common enemy is Israel and it has to be be remembered that they are the descendants of those Palestinians who lost their land to the Jewish refugees from Europe just after WW2. and groups like Hamas and Hezbollah feed on the hate passed down from one generation to another.
Gazans live a miserable life for the most part but being Islamic by faith believe that a far better world will exist for them after death so life on earth can be sacrificed in what is believed to be just a cause.
Anyway considering that the UK has a fairly substantial number of citizens of the Islamic faith it's not really a good idea to fly the flag of Israel since it causes offence to many of them and only encourages increased division and fuel for the rising anti-Semitism that seems to be increasing across Europe and America.
Humza Yousuf's mother-in-law has just posted probably her last video, and it has gone viral. His parents-in-law who live in Dundee, are trapped in Gaza while visiting families there.
Status:
"“If a thing loves, it is infinite.”"
(set 1 day ago)
Location: Great Britain
27,163 posts, read 13,455,286 times
Reputation: 19459
Hamas are an Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorist organisation, who have done their level best to disrupt peace negotiations over the decades, and those waving flags in support of Hamas's actions really need their heads examining.
No one should be flying any flag in relation to this mess.
As for Hamas here's an insight in to their history, beliefs and aims.
Humza Yousuf's mother-in-law has just posted probably her last video, and it has gone viral. His parents-in-law who live in Dundee, are trapped in Gaza while visiting families there.
Prime hostage material - family of senior British politician
Most political parties that are nationalistic (ie the SNP) are right wing in political thinking so in some cases those parties can also be anti-Semitic/ anti-Israel.
What Hamas did was horrific and Israel has a right to retaliate. There are many Palestinians in Gaza who hate Hamas but Hamas rules by fear and brutality. However, the common enemy is Israel and it has to be be remembered that they are the descendants of those Palestinians who lost their land to the Jewish refugees from Europe just after WW2. and groups like Hamas and Hezbollah feed on the hate passed down from one generation to another.
Gazans live a miserable life for the most part but being Islamic by faith believe that a far better world will exist for them after death so life on earth can be sacrificed in what is believed to be just a cause.
Anyway considering that the UK has a fairly substantial number of citizens of the Islamic faith it's not really a good idea to fly the flag of Israel since it causes offence to many of them and only encourages increased division and fuel for the rising anti-Semitism that seems to be increasing across Europe and America.
The Labour party are known for their internal issues surrounding anti-semitism:-
At a guess it's the traditional Labour policy of supporting who they perceive to be the under dog and without a doubt the Palestinians have been the under dogs. That said I am not supporting acts of terror by thugs such as Hamas and Hezbolla, merely stating what I believe is a fact.
Status:
"“If a thing loves, it is infinite.”"
(set 1 day ago)
Location: Great Britain
27,163 posts, read 13,455,286 times
Reputation: 19459
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Austen
Most political parties that are nationalistic (ie the SNP) are right wing in political thinking so in some cases those parties can also be anti-Semitic/ anti-Israel.
What Hamas did was horrific and Israel has a right to retaliate. There are many Palestinians in Gaza who hate Hamas but Hamas rules by fear and brutality. However, the common enemy is Israel and it has to be be remembered that they are the descendants of those Palestinians who lost their land to the Jewish refugees from Europe just after WW2. and groups like Hamas and Hezbollah feed on the hate passed down from one generation to another.
Gazans live a miserable life for the most part but being Islamic by faith believe that a far better world will exist for them after death so life on earth can be sacrificed in what is believed to be just a cause.
Anyway considering that the UK has a fairly substantial number of citizens of the Islamic faith it's not really a good idea to fly the flag of Israel since it causes offence to many of them and only encourages increased division and fuel for the rising anti-Semitism that seems to be increasing across Europe and America.
Gazans are mainly Islamic by faith, and Hamas are a Sunni Islamic Terrorist Organisation, just as Al Qaeda were, although the hatred of the Jews and Israel even unites Islam, and Iran, a mainly Shia Muslim nation is one of the main supports of Hamas. It also should be noted that Hamas, have a charter whereby they won't negotiate and they have derailed all negotiation attempts through violence, as for the end goal of the group it's jihad, and they have the support if numerous other Islamic terrorist groups who also believe in global jihad, and I suggest you watch the video in my previous post.
In terms of flags, the US Stars and Stripes was flown from public buildings across Britain following the 9/11 terrorist attacks back in 2001, this was despite the views of certain members of the Islamic community, who told the US Ambassador to Britain live on a special BBC Question Time that the US deserved the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps we should have taken down the stars and striped for fear of offending these individuals.
I also seem to recall that certain Americans launched a boycott Scotland campaign back in 2009, when it was decided to release the convicted Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. Then again everyone knew that the real perpetrator was not Libya and Megrahi, but was actually Iran, who wanted revenge following the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 by the USS Vincennes, a US navy guided-missile cruiser on the 3rd July 1988 which killed all 290 on board the Air Iran aircraft. Perhaps we should have flown some flags following this terrible disaster.
The bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie occurred less than six months later on the 21st December 1988, and killed 270 people including, all 243 passengers and 16 crew as well as 11 residents of the small town of Lockerbie.
Current events in the Middle East are indeed very sad, as was 9/11 however if there is one thing Britain should have learned from the events following 9/11 in relation to Iraq and Afghanistan, it's to be very wary of becoming involved in such conflicts and do no more than our European neighbours.
As for your views I have heard them all before, and despite being an American you are keen to make them known in relation to UK domestic issues ranging from our brexit, immigration (and borders), Northern Ireland, our royalty, our health service, cost of living and a raft of other such issues.
Although I would have thought your time would be better spent on the US boards given the problems in the US and given the fact that US Foreign policy has more influence on the middle east then Britain, whilst whether some building flies a flag on some building in Britain is largely irrelevant and is not going to make much difference in terms of global events.
Finally, in terms of the conflict in the middle east, if the US and it's military wants to get involved, then that's up to them, however in terms of Britain we need to take the same stance as our European neighbours in relation to any potential action, just as we should of on reflection in relation to Iraq and Afghanistan, and just as we should in relation to other issues relating to the US. As for the left they are generally the least supportive or trusting of the US and US Foreign policy.
Last edited by Brave New World; 10-14-2023 at 07:19 AM..
Protesters have removed Israeli flags flying above two South Yorkshire town halls.
Footage shared on social media showed a man on the roof of Sheffield Town Hall on Tuesday, removing the banner and replacing it with a Palestinian flag.
The flag outside Rotherham Town Hall was also "forcibly" removed and the flag pole damaged, the council said.
South Yorkshire's mayor Oliver Coppard condemned the acts, saying they did not "reflect the values of the region".
In a statement South Yorkshire Police said it believed two men had scaled Sheffield Town Hall on Tuesday evening.
In the clip, shared by Sheffield Online, people could be heard shouting "take it down" and cheering as the Israeli flag was lowered in Sheffield.
Officers attempted to disperse crowds, with two suspects "fleeing the scene" during the "minor disorder".
No arrests had been made, a force spokesperson added.
The force confirmed it had also received reports of the theft of a flag and "minor damage" to a flagpole at Rotherham Town Hall and investigations into both incidents were "ongoing".
Labour were even found guilty of anti-Semitism by the authorities including the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, and there are still allegations of anti-Semitism today.
Behind the sheen of the current Labour party lies the same old left wingers as were there under Corbyn.
The Labour left wingers left also tend to be anti something else, now I wonder what the could be.
As one political commentator noted at the time, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has never seen an anti-American cause he did not want to embrace, and this was/is not unique to Corbyn when it comes to Labour, and current Labour leader Keir Starmer was even a front bench shadow minister under Corbynls leadership of the Labour party and supported these views and policies.
Other than the Conservatives, and a few minor political parties, the other major parties or nationalists are hardly Pro-American indeed they are anything but, however this reality doesn't seem to have dawned on some, whilst in terms of the EU it's also hardly a Pro-American organisation, in fact at times it's often quite the opposite.
Whilst it's common sense that Britain stay out of needless conflicts, which have been US led in recent decades, it's also common sense that Britain should have an amicable and friendly relationship with the US, just as our European neighbours do, however this should also involve a more balanced relationship like that of our European neighbours rather than some one way relationship based on some out dated pretext of a special relationship.
Last edited by Brave New World; 10-14-2023 at 08:26 AM..
Gazans are mainly Islamic by faith, and Hamas are a Sunni Islamic Terrorist Organisation, just as Al Qaeda were, although the hatred of the Jews and Israel even unites Islam, and Iran, a mainly Shia Muslim nation is one of the main supports of Hamas. It also should be noted that Hamas, have a charter whereby they won't negotiate and they have derailed all negotiation attempts through violence, as for the end goal of the group it's jihad, and they have the support if numerous other Islamic terrorist groups who also believe in global jihad, and I suggest you watch the video in my previous post.
In terms of flags, the US Stars and Stripes was flown from public buildings across Britain following the 9/11 terrorist attacks back in 2001, this was despite the views of certain members of the Islamic community, who told the US Ambassador to Britain live on a special BBC Question Time that the US deserved the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps we should have taken down the stars and striped for fear of offending these individuals.
I also seem to recall that certain Americans launched a boycott Scotland campaign back in 2009, when it was decided to release the convicted Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. Then again everyone knew that the real perpetrator was not Libya and Megrahi, but was actually Iran, who wanted revenge following the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 by the USS Vincennes, a US navy guided-missile cruiser on the 3rd July 1988 which killed all 290 on board the Air Iran aircraft. Perhaps we should have flown some flags following this terrible disaster.
The bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie occurred less than six months later on the 21st December 1988, and killed 270 people including, all 243 passengers and 16 crew as well as 11 residents of the small town of Lockerbie.
Current events in the Middle East are indeed very sad, as was 9/11 however if there is one thing Britain should have learned from the events following 9/11 in relation to Iraq and Afghanistan, it's to be very wary of becoming involved in such conflicts and do no more than our European neighbours.
As for your views I have heard them all before, and despite being an American you are keen to make them known in relation to UK domestic issues ranging from our brexit, immigration (and borders), Northern Ireland, our royalty, our health service, cost of living and a raft of other such issues.
Although I would have thought your time would be better spent on the US boards given the problems in the US and given the fact that US Foreign policy has more influence on the middle east then Britain, whilst whether some building flies a flag on some building in Britain is largely irrelevant and is not going to make much difference in terms of global events.
Finally, in terms of the conflict in the middle east, if the US and it's military wants to get involved, then that's up to them, however in terms of Britain we need to take the same stance as our European neighbours in relation to any potential action, just as we should of on reflection in relation to Iraq and Afghanistan, and just as we should in relation to other issues relating to the US. As for the left they are generally the least supportive or trusting of the US and US Foreign policy.
I am quite sure that Britain's military aid will not be requested in any part of the Hamas-Israeli conflict.
Last edited by James Austen; 10-14-2023 at 11:46 PM..
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
