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do you have any evidence for that? Im not a fan of seegar the person (as opposed to the musician) but I dont think folk music was that lucrative.
For G*d's sake he is a celebrity singer. He's not here in Louisville, Colorado as an unknown singing in some bar.
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You said I was making excuses and contrasted that with the blame placed on whites who fled.
You WERE making excuses for these rioters and protestors. I didn't say you were blaming the whites who fled. Good grief! You are very thin-skinned if you INFER that from what I said.
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Im not sure what you mean by 'white flight theory" thats a description of much of what happened, not a judgement. If anything many people who DO want to form a judgement judge realtors, banks, and govt lending agencies more than the people who fled. But certainly SOME who fled were doing so for motives of race.
People moved to the suburbs for a lot of reasons. Maybe you can post a link from a primary source showing that people "fled" (a judgemental word) for motives of race.
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anyone who was college educated and racist.
That'[s a lot of people, including several POTUS.
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Do you think the white (mostly Irish) working class of Boston circa 1974 was really the most racist group in the country? I dont. I really dont. I think the reason they rioted in that era, and lots of other equally or more racist people did not, was a matter of circumstance.
THE most? Well, I dunno. I never lived in Boston, or anywhere near it. But those people were certainly acting in a very racist manner. I'm not sure I believe in degrees of racism, anyway.
I know that. Wasn't really thin-skinned, I was just as irritated.
And I don't think anyone in the last few pages said it was different, Brooklynborndad was just adding describing what it was and adding a possibly interesting link and I read as you were attacking him and his post from the tone. No idea you were referring to "white flight theory". The suburbs are all lily white vary drastically by region and suburb. And I suppose your definition of lily white. I thought mine was close to lily white; it's 86% white.
I went to a relative's high school graduation in June and I was astounded that every single graduate was white (maybe one or two non-white kids, might of missed them).
THE most? Well, I dunno. I never lived in Boston, or anywhere near it. But those people were certainly acting in a very racist manner. I'm not sure I believe in degrees of racism, anyway.
I agree they were racist, but the school performance did decline afterwards, so I can see where they are coming from a bit. South Boston was not only racist but insular and hostile to outsiders in general. They wished to be left alone as is. Even today, a friend (non-native to Boston) told she found it uncomfortable to rent there because of its unfriendliness to outsiders. It has changed some and is probably less racist than before. It's not poor anymore, its median income is close to average for the metro.
Pete Seeger lives like Mitt Romney? Hah! At least as recently as 2009, he still lived in a log cabin he and his wife built in rural New York in the late 1940s, heated by a woodstove and built in part with scrap lumber--its main nod to modernity is a set of solar panels that he uses to charge his electric truck. He owns one banjo. Not bad for a guy hitting 90! Similarly, the original writer of "Little Boxes was a middle-ahged working mom. Some folks have very funny ideas about the profitability of folk music!
You could also say that 1845 was a watershed year. The telegraph made communication over long distances possible, and the railroad made the suburbs viable. Read Walden by H.D. Thoreau. He was railing against the conveniences of the 19th century.
also, the reason the songwriter worked in a factory was she was unable to get a teaching job, not for "street cred". Her husband was a labor organizor and carperenter. Probably both actual socialists.
also, the reason the songwriter worked in a factory was she was unable to get a teaching job, not for "street cred". Her husband was a labor organizor and carperenter. Probably both actual socialists.
Pete Seeger grew up in a wealthy family.
So Seeger could be living like Mitt Romney! He's one of these "voluntarily poor".
I agree they were racist, but the school performance did decline afterwards, so I can see where they are coming from a bit. South Boston was not only racist but insular and hostile to outsiders in general. They wished to be left alone as is. Even today, a friend (non-native to Boston) told she found it uncomfortable to rent there because of its unfriendliness to outsiders. It has changed some and is probably less racist than before. It's not poor anymore, its median income is close to average for the metro.
Not surprising. I think there were neighborhoods like that in many cities back in the early 70s, when the worst of those riots happened. That just goes to show that cities can be as insular as small towns, or G*d forbid, the suburbs!
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