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Gosh, what's with all the hostility today? Perhaps I didn't notice that part of you post. What post # is it?
Whoops. You responded to a post a few down not the one with the link, I got mixed up. Though I felt that your response to that post was hostile. The post was here:
Thisn is not to say that there was NO mass production of homes before WW2-- the construction of large number of bungalows in Chicago between the wars is an example of that, as are the rowhouses in Philly and Baltimore. But the sheer scale of mass-produced housing seemed to explode in the late 40s-50s, and it provided returning veterans ( and others) a chance at a different setting for a home.."..a nice yard for my kids to play in...and walls of my own"....
There were lots of bungalows built in Denver in 1920s as well. There are streets and streets of nothing but bungalows. This is also the case in some of the older burbs.
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But, as nei pointed out earlier, many cities outside of the NE already had large amounts of single-family housing.
Many? We were talking about Omaha.
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Redlining is discrimination in its defined form. Surely you must see that.!
Redlining was discrimination. It was not, however, practiced by the FHA but by the banks. Another part of the issue is that houses had to be up to code for the buyer to get an FHA loan (or almost any kind of loan other than money from a family member). That is why a house, even today, has to be inspected before a loan can be issued.
There are a lot of older homes in the Pittsburgh area as well, including in some of the older suburbs, and areas that were sort of "country" turned suburb. I can recall my parents talking about several people who could not get loans to buy houses in these burbs (which where I lived were basically 99.9% white at the time) for reasons such as: have to go through bedroom to get to another bedroom (the access/egress issue); have to go through a bedroom to get to the only bathroom in the house, etc.
Gosh, what's with all the hostility today? Perhaps I didn't notice that part of you post. What post # is it?
Assuming that's an open question, I do get a little perturbed at comments that imply that racial discrimination had NOTHING to do with suburbanization. Though not hostile. There's a reason redlining in illegal now.
does that map make the case? South Baltimore and Locust Pt are red - those are areas that in the 1980s at least (and I guess since the 1930s) were solidly WHITE working class.
does that map make the case? South Baltimore and Locust Pt are red - those are areas that in the 1980s at least (and I guess since the 1930s) were solidly WHITE working class.
But industrial, smelly, dirty with freight trains running in the streets. White as ever now, but it's a different place entirely now. Substantial immigrant population too... Even I they were white.
Also, Baltimore is ONE city, a city that is as much southern as it is northern, especially back in the 1950s. My daughter gave me a book about women in WW II, and there is a chapter titled "Jane Crow". It seems black women faced a lot of discrimination in the Baltimore factories.
But industrial, smelly, dirty with freight trains running in the streets. White as ever now, but it's a different place entirely now. Substantial immigrant population too... Even I they were white.
What I'm wondering is if redlining couldnt be seen as more classist, and antiurban, than purely racist, which is how its often charecterized.
Also, Baltimore is ONE city, a city that is as much southern as it is northern, especially back in the 1950s. My daughter gave me a book about women in WW II, and there is a chapter titled "Jane Crow". It seems black women faced a lot of discrimination in the Baltimore factories.
All true. But it shares common history with some other places - not all. Another poster last week didn't seem intereste in any of them and sort of shrugged them off.
Also, Baltimore is ONE city, a city that is as much southern as it is northern, especially back in the 1950s. My daughter gave me a book about women in WW II, and there is a chapter titled "Jane Crow". It seems black women faced a lot of discrimination in the Baltimore factories.
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What I'm wondering is if redlining couldnt be seen as more classist, and antiurban, than purely racist, which is how its often charecterized.
Definitely not purely racist - that's not my argument. Neighborhoods were graded on various characteristics, and one was race. So racism was a part of it.
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