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OK, but you still haven't answered my question..........what do you think caused the collapse of so any American cities?
If you don't agree with my explanation then fine but what reasons do you give as an alternative one?
I gave you an explanation for Detroit. I'll give you one for Pittsburgh-the collapse of the steel industry, which happened d/t the collapse of the auto industry in Detroit; and the cause of a depression or whatever you want to call it in other steel towns as well, e.g. Duluth, MN, Gary, IN, Youngstown, OH and many other cities in Ohio.
*Not calling you stupid, mind you, just repeating.
In Youngstown, Youngstown Sheet and Tube made their first major cut-backs on Sept. 19,1977. This date is locally known as Black Monday, and is considered the beginning of the end of steel production in the area. Yet, between 1960 and 1970, Youngstown's population declined by more than 16%. Between 1970 and 1980, the population continued to decline, but only at the slightly higher rate of a little over 17%
While there was only a 1% drop in the city's population between 1950 and 1960, there was clearly something going on between 1960 and 1970, well before catastrophic layoffs began, in the late 70s. And that's what I think this thread is about.
In Youngstown, Youngstown Sheet and Tube made their first major cut-backs on Sept. 19,1977. This date is locally known as Black Monday, and is considered the beginning of the end of steel production in the area. Yet, between 1960 and 1970, Youngstown's population declined by more than 16%. Between 1970 and 1980, the population continued to decline, but only at the slightly higher rate of a little over 17%
While there was only a 1% drop in the city's population between 1950 and 1960, there was clearly something going on between 1960 and 1970, well before catastrophic layoffs began, in the late 70s. And that's what I think this thread is about.
Beaver County's steel crash came in 1982, I believe. (Hard to find data from so long ago.)
It's the economy!
So, you're saying the economy was bad before the steel industry crash? I always assumed that it was the steel industry crash that caused the local economies to tank.
So, you're saying the economy was bad before the steel industry crash? I always assumed that it was the steel industry crash that caused the local economies to tank.
Those are a few choice examples but doesn't explain what happened to the country as a whole.
Outside of a few notable exceptions, American cities are died and even though there definitely seems to be resurgence, your average European city of 20,000 has more life after 6pm than cities in the US with millions.
Many major cities in booming areas that have seen explosive growth in the last 50 years have had their downtowns hollowed out. DFW/Hou/Atl/TB/SP/PHX/LA/KS/SL/Char/.............the number of large cities that once had vibrant downtowns that are now a mere shadow of their former glory is endless.
mighty industrial cities that
You never got this phenomenon in Aus/Can and yet we certainly had cities that suffered from hard economic times. Every country in the West has once have been decimated by closing factories and dying industries but their downtowns are still there surviving well and never faced the mass de-population of the vast majority of US cities.
Just look at Windsor/Detroit. Both border cities, built on auto manufacturing, and blue collar towns and Windsor has had growth far slower than the national or provincial averages for nearly 50 years but it's downtown is still alive, it's core never shrank, there was no real white flight, and it has an incredibly low crime rate. 2 years ago the Metro {330,000} didn't record one single murder.
Unemployment may led to a stagnating downtown and slight loss of population but the scale it has happened in the US is unprecedented in the Western countries and the fact that it didn't happen anywhere else with countries of similar incomes, car ownership levels, and suburban development means there has to be another reason that sets the US apart from all other countries and I believe that is the lingering legacy of slavery and racial politics in the US.
What experience do you have with Canadian, Australian, and US cities to make this statement: "Many major cities in booming areas that have seen explosive growth in the last 50 years have had their downtowns hollowed out. DFW/Hou/Atl/TB/SP/PHX/LA/KS/SL/Char/.............the number of large cities that once had vibrant downtowns that are now a mere shadow of their former glory is endless.
mighty industrial cities that "
Give examples.
What experience do you have with Canadian, Australian, and US cities to make this statement: "Many major cities in booming areas that have seen explosive growth in the last 50 years have had their downtowns hollowed out. DFW/Hou/Atl/TB/SP/PHX/LA/KS/SL/Char/.............the number of large cities that once had vibrant downtowns that are now a mere shadow of their former glory is endless. mighty industrial cities that "
Give examples.
I wonder what he's referring to with "SP". St. Paul? And what would "KS" be? Kansas Sity? I don't think this guy knows much about American cities.
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