[timberline742]

Originally Posted by cgregor

Houses are not overpriced in Springfield. Check it out. On one street, two houses were up for $119,000 for the pair. That's been dropped to $99,000 They're small, but in good shape. Buy both, rent one....

Then you have to live there though.

[cgregor]

Springfield is not for everybody. if you want to be entertained by the town you live in, live someplace else.

If you want to live in a town where people will listen to your suggestions, appreciate your shoulder at the wheel, benefit from your desire to have the best school system in the state, a full-service town government, and a chance to see their home's resale value skyrocket because everybody's engaged in making it the best town in the state, then you want to be a Springfield pioneer.

We look for people who want to fulfill hopes and dreams, not people who want the civic equivalent of cable TV.

[timberline742]

You've been pumping that mantra for years. It's still a crudhole.

[cgregor]

So was Milwaukee when Solomon Juneau stepped out of his canoe the first time.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by cgregor

So was Milwaukee when Solomon Juneau stepped out of his canoe the first time.

Stop, it's not the 1820s. It's not about the frontier and a pioneering spirit in rural areas anymore.


It's about being a pioneer in tech in dense urban areas now. Springfield, and places like it, have had their best days. Best to move forward with areas of potential growth (like MKE was in the early 1800s). And no, some high speed internet isn't getting people to move there. Stop it.

[cgregor]

You sound like you live in Springfield! Ain't it great?

"Have had their best days" refers to trying to continue to operate under the old ways-- Springfield's original potential was in hydropower, which made it possible for the machine tool industry to flourish. More "best days" are ahead for any community which identifies new potentials. Springfield has six that I know of. All we need is more pioneers.

[arctichomesteader]

Springfield has blown many chances to get some economic activity going on. The biomass plant for example. For those not in the know, since the time that was rejected the pulp market has basically tanked further. It's becoming impossible to properly manage forests in southern VT as there is a limited market to take the low quality trees. Which means the loggers aren't working cutting that, forests are declining in quality, etc. Because someone was worried about truck traffic at an industrial park. You can't help those who don't want help and Springfield is in that category.

[cgregor]

Biomass is old tech in a world that will either adopt new energy sources or die from climate change the human body can't handle. If this were, say, 1920, it would have been stupid to reject a biomass plant, but not today, sad to say.

[arctichomesteader]

Not really. Tour a modern plant someday if you get the chance.

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Springfield has blown many chances to get some economic activity going on. The biomass plant for example. For those not in the know, since the time that was rejected the pulp market has basically tanked further. It's becoming impossible to properly manage forests in southern VT as there is a limited market to take the low quality trees. Which means the loggers aren't working cutting that, forests are declining in quality, etc. Because someone was worried about truck traffic at an industrial park. You can't help those who don't want help and Springfield is in that category.

It wasn't the truck traffic at the industrial park which was the worry according to what I've read, rather the truck traffic through residential streets to get to the proposed biomass plant.

But that was only a part of the PSB's decision to deny the application. The article mentions a VT government link, however it returned a page not found message when I tried to use it.

Proposed bioenergy plant denied certificate of public good in Vt. | Biomassmagazine.com