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View Poll Results: Are Fed/Potus Mandates needed for WA?
Yes, these Federal/Potus Vax Mandates are needed 55 29.57%
No, these Fed/Potus Vax Mandates are NOT needed 124 66.67%
We don't know yet 7 3.76%
Voters: 186. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-11-2021, 07:11 PM
 
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Nowhere in the history of the world do scientists constrain their achievements because of what a dictionary says. If the conspiracy theorists of the world actually engaged their brains, they’d realize that the dictionary definition of a vaccine changes each time the science advances. Not the other way around. Of course the definition of a vaccine must change when scientists discover a new way to make one. That’s exactly the job of the staff at the dictionary. But it sure sets the fearful off!

Here’s a clue: what was the definition of a vaccine before scientists developed vaccines???
CDC changed the definition for a VACCINE
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...254111268.html
CDC changed the definition.

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

The term “vaccine” also got a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

. . . .
In short, “new” vaccines do not provide immunity, but may only help alleviate symptoms (like the cytokine storm).
Is it so muggles will believe they're being "immunized" and unknowingly pass around the virus?

. . . .
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Old 11-11-2021, 07:29 PM
 
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The shot that has been called the vaccine hopefully will sell better if we change the definition of vaccine to include the shot.
Makes perfect sense.
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Old 11-11-2021, 07:36 PM
 
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In our perspective if nothing is done there is far higher chances of death and suffering through climate change driven failure (infrastructure, food and commodity systems, environment, etc) than the systematic dismantling of the disproven economics based on infinite growth.
Anthropogenic Climate Change is a hoax / fraud. Peak temperatures have not risen, while record low temperatures have been measured, which calls into question the claim that "average temperatures are rising".
Safe to ignore that.

Population doubling every 50 years - well - that's been stopped in "socialist" countries (any nation with a social security system). They're actually declining in population. However, non-socialist countries (rich or poor) are generating surplus that they're exporting to (you guessed it) "socialist paradises." IN a generation or two, the indigenous population will be marginalized.
I guess one might consider that problem to be self correcting.

eCONomics based on money madness is a poor measure of anything. No money token system has ever grown proportionally with the marketplace of goods and services. Pass.

However, if we consider that prosperity is based on the prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. And doing more with less so more can enjoy is superior to doing less with more so few can enjoy, is common sense, I believe civilization will do fine, thank you. A rising population means more laborers, whose labor is amplified by tools, machines, and automation, to generate astounding output of surplus - which should bring about prosperity - if we can get rid of the predators and parasites who prosper at the expense of the productive.

Current world population is in excess of 7 billion. I wouldn't worry until we reach 28 to 32 billions.

FWIW : government meddling (penalties and subsidies) has skewed common sense, so that the most wasteful form of land transport is widely subsidized (automobile) while its competition (electric traction rail) was penalized and destroyed (in the USA).

The finite surface area of the planet needs to be "thickened" by human engineering to increase the life bearing volume - which goes against "environmental preservation." We need environmental amplification. Added benefit - as you 'thicken' the volume, you increase the surface area, which reduces ambient temperature. ( As illustrated by a rain forest versus a desert at the same latitude and insolation intensity )

Ergo, the "best" plan of action is to plan for the seventh generation to come. Expand human habitat, build up / down, through, over, terrace mountains, and expand agricultural production AND wildlife habitat. Consolidate population, expand arable land, recover arable land lost to suburban development, and shift to rail for 90% of all transportation on land. Railways are scalable, safer, less polluting, consume minimal resources, use less surface area, and as long as buildings don't move, are quite adequate for meeting the needs of towns, villages, and cities.

Beyond that, begin colonization of outer space, via giant orbital habitats and vivariums, that spin to generate artificial gravity. Utilize robotic factories, planted on asteroids, comets, and moons, to generate new colonies at a rate faster than human propagation. There's enough available resources to keep expanding for another 2,700 years in the solar system. If you start the slow process of colonizing nearby star systems, even at 1/10 light speed, we can fill the galaxy in half a billion years, plus or minus a few million.

Space Colonization Basics
https://web.archive.org/web/20120219...ics/wwwwh.html
“The key advantage of space settlements is the ability to build new land, rather than take it from someone else. This allows a huge expansion of humanity without war or destruction of Earth's biosphere. The asteroids alone provide enough material to make new orbital land hundreds of times greater than the surface of the Earth, divided into millions of colonies. This land can easily support trillions of people.
.. .. ..
Let us have more abundant life - in the up and out !


And let's stop quibbling over the unVaccine, and chuck out the politicians pushing it as if it were a vaccine.


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Old 11-11-2021, 07:46 PM
 
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Anthropogenic Climate Change is a hoax / fraud.
Safe to ignore that.

Population doubling every 50 years - well - that's been stopped in "socialist" countries (any nation with a social security system). They're actually declining in population. However, non-socialist countries (rich or poor) are generating surplus that they're exporting to (you guessed it) "socialist paradises." IN a generation or two, the indigenous population will be marginalized.
I guess one might consider that problem to be self correcting.

eCONomics based on money madness is a poor measure of anything. No money token system has ever grown proportionally with the marketplace of goods and services. Pass.

However, if we consider that prosperity is based on the prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. And doing more with less so more can enjoy is superior to doing less with more so few can enjoy, is common sense, I believe civilization will do fine, thank you.

Current world population is in excess of 7 billion. I wouldn't worry until we reach 28 to 32 billions.

FWIW : government meddling (penalties and subsidies) has skewed common sense, so that the most wasteful form of land transport is widely subsidized (automobile) while its competition (electric traction rail) was penalized and destroyed (in the USA).

The finite surface area of the planet needs to be "thickened" by human engineering to increase the life bearing volume - which goes against "environmental preservation." We need environmental amplification. Added benefit - as you 'thicken' the volume, you increase the surface area, which reduces ambient temperature. ( As illustrated by a rain forest versus a desert at the same latitude and insolation intensity )

Ergo, the "best" plan of action is to plan for the seventh generation to come. Expand human habitat, build up / down, through, over, terrace mountains, and expand agricultural production AND wildlife habitat. Consolidate population, expand arable land, recover arable land lost to suburban development, and shift to rail for 90% of all transportation on land. Railways are scalable, safer, less polluting, consume minimal resources, use less surface area, and as long as buildings don't move, are quite adequate for meeting the needs of towns, villages, and cities.

Beyond that, begin colonization of outer space, via giant orbital habitats and vivariums, that spin to generate artificial gravity. Utilize robotic factories, planted on asteroids, comets, and moons, to generate new colonies at a rate faster than human propagation. There's enough available resources to keep expanding for another 2,700 years in the solar system. If you start the slow process of colonizing nearby star systems, even at 1/10 light speed, we can fill the galaxy in half a billion years, plus or minus a few million.

Space Colonization Basics
[URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20120219082348/http://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/Basics/wwwwh.html[/URL][INDENT]“The key advantage of space settlements is the ability to build new land, rather than take it from someone else. This allows a huge expansion of humanity without war or destruction of Earth's biosphere. The asteroids alone provide enough material to make new orbital land hundreds of times greater than the surface of the Earth, divided into millions of colonies. This land can easily support trillions of people.
[/INDENT].. .. ..
Let us have more abundant life - in the up and out !


And let's stop quibbling over the unVaccine, and chuck out the politicians pushing it as if it were a vaccine.


- - -
We (most strongly) disagree on fundamental assumptions so not worth a response as it's not worth the consideration.

I do love watching sci-fi and futuristic movies though. That's the only way I can entertain this post.
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Old 11-11-2021, 09:04 PM
 
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CDC changed the definition for a VACCINE
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...254111268.html
CDC changed the definition.

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

The term “vaccine” also got a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

. . . .
In short, “new” vaccines do not provide immunity, but may only help alleviate symptoms (like the cytokine storm).
Is it so muggles will believe they're being "immunized" and unknowingly pass around the virus?

. . . .
I can tell that you don’t even know what ‘immunity’ means in medical terms. Understandable. You probably think immunity means that you don’t get the disease. Like Superman. Wrong. It’s just resistance. So the change to the definition is to help people like you understand.

I can even prove it to you. You have an ‘immune system’, right? Does that mean you are ‘immune’, by your definition? Of course not.

Again, science drives the definition, not the other way around.
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Old 11-12-2021, 08:52 AM
 
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I can tell that you don’t even know what ‘immunity’ means in medical terms. Understandable. You probably think immunity means that you don’t get the disease.....
I know, but apparently you do not know about the non-vaccine.

VIDEO on COVID-19 nonVACCINE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jktvh6k0qys
Interesting testimony from Christina Parks, PhD
[] Covid-19 vaccinations do not prevent SPREAD, only attenuate symptoms (In the past, many vaccinations did prevent spread)
[] These vaccines are designed to protect the lungs, not the mucosa.
[] Delta and other variants are not affected by the current vaccinations
[] The original strain has ceased to be active - new hospitalizations are predominantly the Delta variation
[] Vaccinated people may suffer greater harm from mutated viruses like the Delta variant

But what does SHE know? She's only a Phd.
Vaccine - (Medicine) a suspension of dead, attenuated, or otherwise modified microorganisms (viruses, bacteria, or rickettsiae) for inoculation to produce immunity to a disease by stimulating the production of antibodies.

Immunity - (Biology) the ability of an organism to resist disease, either through the activities of specialized blood cells or antibodies produced by them in response to natural exposure or inoculation (active immunity) or by the injection of antiserum or the transfer of antibodies from a mother to her baby via the placenta or breast milk (passive immunity).
MODERNA VACCINE
https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download
The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19.
{Their words, not mine.}

HAS THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE BEEN USED BEFORE?
The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine. In clinical trials, approximately 15,400 individuals 18 years of age and older have received at least 1 dose of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.
: : : : :
Translation : Moderna is an unapproved vaccine. Trials are ongoing. No conclusive data. Take at own risk.
: : : : :
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Old 11-12-2021, 11:02 AM
 
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I know, but apparently you do not know about the non-vaccine.

VIDEO on COVID-19 nonVACCINE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jktvh6k0qys
Interesting testimony from Christina Parks, PhD
[] Covid-19 vaccinations do not prevent SPREAD, only attenuate symptoms (In the past, many vaccinations did prevent spread)
[] These vaccines are designed to protect the lungs, not the mucosa.
[] Delta and other variants are not affected by the current vaccinations
[] The original strain has ceased to be active - new hospitalizations are predominantly the Delta variation
[] Vaccinated people may suffer greater harm from mutated viruses like the Delta variant

But what does SHE know? She's only a Phd.
Vaccine - (Medicine) a suspension of dead, attenuated, or otherwise modified microorganisms (viruses, bacteria, or rickettsiae) for inoculation to produce immunity to a disease by stimulating the production of antibodies.

Immunity - (Biology) the ability of an organism to resist disease, either through the activities of specialized blood cells or antibodies produced by them in response to natural exposure or inoculation (active immunity) or by the injection of antiserum or the transfer of antibodies from a mother to her baby via the placenta or breast milk (passive immunity).
MODERNA VACCINE
https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download
The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19.
{Their words, not mine.}

HAS THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE BEEN USED BEFORE?
The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine. In clinical trials, approximately 15,400 individuals 18 years of age and older have received at least 1 dose of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.
: : : : :
Translation : Moderna is an unapproved vaccine. Trials are ongoing. No conclusive data. Take at own risk.
: : : : :
There you go. The vaccines have been proven to help us resist the disease. There are studies with millions of data points that prove it beyond any doubt. Also proven to help reduce the spread. And help against the Delta variant.

Done and done.

There are about 130 more vaccines in development. Then, there is active research to understand the disease and build better vaccines. Give these brilliant scientists enough time and they will improve on their work.


In the meanwhile, try to stay off the steady diet of fear filled, right wing news. You will do better for it.
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Old 11-12-2021, 11:28 AM
 
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https://www.npr.org/2021/11/12/10538...k-requirements

Actual journalism from a highly respected news source. As vaccinations go up, masks are coming off for children around the country, including on the coasts.

“ Massachusetts State Department of Elementary and Secondary Education
When? Immediately — with enough vaccinations.

How? A school must demonstrate a vaccination rate of 80% or more of both staff and students. The decision can be made "by local school and district leaders in consultation with local health officials." Schools must collect proof of vaccination of everyone from administrative assistants to after-school staff. Unvaccinated people must keep masking.”


“ Amy Falk, pediatrician, Wisconsin Rapids, Wis.
When? "In my heart of hearts," not for a while, but realistically, once children's vaccines have been available for at least several weeks.

"My big holdout is getting every kid protected who wants to be protected. And that, you know, whatever happens after that, I guess everyone's made their choice with it."

Falk is lead author of a widely cited study showing that 90% mask compliance cut COVID-19 transmission within several schools in Wisconsin last fall, even when the spread in the community was high”
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Old 11-12-2021, 11:41 AM
 
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From the same link you provided.

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"I've been a big proponent of mask wearing for a long time, for over a year, but at this point in the pandemic, it no longer makes sense to me," he tells NPR. "If we don't offer paths to removing masks at this point in a pandemic, when risks are low and the tools for protection are there — the vaccine specifically — then we lose trust."
When the time comes, they should unmask all children in schools, not just the ones that are vaccinated. The benefits healthy children would get from the vaccine do not outweigh the risks at this moment. Hopefully, there will never be covid vaccine mandates for children, that would be insane. Remember, this is no measles, polio or tetanus.
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Old 11-12-2021, 12:00 PM
 
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From the same link you provided.

When the time comes, they should unmask all children in schools, not just the ones that are vaccinated. The benefits healthy children would get from the vaccine do not outweigh the risks at this moment. Hopefully, there will never be covid vaccine mandates for children, that would be insane. Remember, this is no measles, polio or tetanus.
I agree, there is a range of opinions (which is the point of the article). This same person stated that mask mandates should go away once kids had a chance to get vaccinated, along with “schools should mandate vaccines for adults in school buildings, hold vaccination clinics on-site and provide education to encourage vaccines for kids, and use rapid antigen testing, ventilation and air filtration to lower risk even further.”

My point at large is that the right wing fear of government control and vaccines isn’t reflected in the publicly stated opinion of highly qualified health officials around the country. There’s valid reason to debate how we fight the pandemic but vaccines are actually working to get rid of mask mandates. Vaccination is getting us back to a more normal lifestyle. And that’s hardly shocking, since we’ve used vaccines to fight disease for more than a 100 years now.
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