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New Yorks winters are far too brutal for it to be considered as subtropical!!
Lol, here we go again. What the heck is all of Canada if NYC is "brutal"?
Would you mind explaining what exactly is "brutal" about an average winter in NYC? Do you consider Zagreb and Milan Italy to be "brutal"? Cities in Europe like Strasbourg, Turin, Milan, Sofia, Vienna, Salzburg, Zagreb, etc. are basically the same or even colder, so do you consider them brutal? Is Sarajevo "brutal"?
I've seen many Brits like B87 go on about NYC being frigidly cold. Are those cities in Europe frigid?
Most of central Europe is considered cold by the average person in England. Milan is frigid and foggy (though most people associate Italy with warmth).
Wellington but for heavens sake, please stop treating NYC as if it's the tundra! It's not that cold! It can get cold snaps in the single digit F's at night in winter but it can also get warm spells of 60 F in winter as well. Average winter daytime temps are above freezing. It even gets down to freezing here at night in the mild Bay Area in winter. It's perfectly manageable winter weather.
Nights average low temps are below freezing, but the days are not. NYC is freezing during an arctic outbreak, but certainly not all winter. It would be the same as saying London is cloudy and cool all summer with no warm days.
Nights average low temps are below freezing, but the days are not. NYC is freezing during an arctic outbreak, but certainly not all winter. It would be the same as saying London is cloudy and cool all summer with no warm days.
NYC winters are cold as it is a four seasons climate but NOT IN ANYWAY BRUTAL- average daytime temps in NYC are around the same as London's average early winter morning. There is enough overlap between the two winters that no Londoner should call NYC's winters BRUTAL. Minneapolis has brutal winters but NOT NYC. The ONLY people that can consider NYC's winters brutal are people from the true tropics. Even your average Californian would consider NYC's winters "cold" but not BRUTAL unless they are REALLY wimpy.
Most of central Europe is considered cold by the average person in England. Milan is frigid and foggy (though most people associate Italy with warmth).
Saying NYC is "cold" in winter is accurate. But you and a few others from the UK particularly go on about NYC being frigid, brutal, arctic, etc. Then I assume most British people consider those cities in Europe to be the same. There is a difference between cold, and frigid. Frigid would be where both daytime and nighttime temps average below freezing. Vast majority of winter days in NYC will have a high temp from 35F to 45F and have quite a bit of sunshine. The average winter high in NYC for all three winter months is 41.8F and the low 29.3F. Cold but not frigid or arctic like.
Do people in the UK consider Washington, DC "frigid" and "brutal" in winter?
It is a bit subjective, sure it's too cold for the things you listed (except Citrus), but those aren't the only subtropical plants on earth. Overall, I wouldn't say NYC looks subtropical, but subtropicals are definitely here and are apparent, trunking Yucca being among the most common. And while a 5°C boost would transform NYC (for the better lol), it isn't needed for it to look more subtropical, all NYC needs is for zone 7b/8a hardy subtropicals to continue growing in numbers.
Magnolias may not be considered subtropical in NZ, but they do originate from the subtropics.
I think you would be surprised at how different NYC would look with a 5C warmer winter. There is an awful lot of plants, that would only exist for you in picture books.
Citrus? Are they ones with their own special little house - complete with it's very own Christmas lights and a nice fleece sleeping bag for for the plant? Errr ... I don't know I would consider that growing citrus
NYC winters are cold as it is a four seasons climate but NOT IN ANYWAY BRUTAL- average daytime temps in NYC are around the same as London's average early winter morning. There is enough overlap between the two winters that no Londoner should call NYC's winters BRUTAL. Minneapolis has brutal winters but NOT NYC. The ONLY people that can consider NYC's winters brutal are people from the true tropics. Even your average Californian would consider NYC's winters "cold" but not BRUTAL unless they are REALLY wimpy.
During an arctic outbreak NYC can be pretty cold, or during the ice days. But the average winter day is not nearly as bad as some real cold winter climates. They way the Brits talk you would think London is subtropical in winter. Just looking at data for London, they have plenty of nights below freezing. 23.5 days to be exact from Heathrow. This past winter London got down to the low 20's at Heathrow, and the winter before to the upper teens in February 2012. Therefore I guess one could say that while milder than NYC in winter, London gets bouts of "brutal, frigid, arctic" like weather.
Saying NYC is "cold" in winter is accurate. But you and a few others from the UK particularly go on about NYC being frigid, brutal, arctic, etc. Then I assume most British people consider those cities in Europe to be the same. There is a difference between cold, and frigid. Frigid would be where both daytime and nighttime temps average below freezing. Vast majority of winter days in NYC will have a high temp from 35F to 45F and have quite a bit of sunshine. The average winter high in NYC for all three winter months is 41.8F and the low 29.3F. Cold but not frigid or arctic like.
Do people in the UK consider Washington, DC "frigid" and "brutal" in winter?
People here think New York is a snowy city with very cold winters, because that is how it is often perceived in movies - such as snow at Christmas ALL the time. If they actually visited New York in the winter then they would see it isn't that cold - my sister went in Nov-Dec 2010 and was shocked to see it was warmer than here at the time. It then snowed like hell of course, after she left.
PS - come on, B87, you can't seriously think Milan has frigid winters. There has to be a limit somewhere, surely?! You'd be the first person ever to describe them as such.
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