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Old 08-04-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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I know it's not an oceanic climate but the city of Red Deer, AB, Canada (elevation 855 m and latitude 52 N) recorded a significant accumulation of snow on August 2nd, 2002. This is just one week after the statistically warmest week of the summer. See picture here:
http://blog.boomerphoto.com//images/...Aug02snow2.jpg

 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:03 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Indeed. I made the point earlier that NZ(and southern Australia) was an Oceanic climate cold relative to latitude, whereas the UK is warm relative to latitude. I don't think young mac really grasped the significance of that.
Oh I did. The seas of nw Scotland are colder in the summer than Oceania is during winter, yet the highlands which reach 1400m rarely record snow in the summer.

Maybe once an August but not deep snow or frequent snow.
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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I know it's not an oceanic climate but the city of Red Deer, AB, Canada (elevation 855 m and latitude 52 N) recorded a significant accumulation of snow on August 2nd, 2002. This is just one week after the statistically warmest week of the summer. See picture here:
http://blog.boomerphoto.com//images/...Aug02snow2.jpg
Makes me cold just looking at it.

My parents experienced July snow somewhere around Banff, back in the 1980s. They had been on the Snake River canyon only days before, and had found it hot (35C+ from memory)
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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Oh I did. The seas of nw Scotland are colder in the summer than Oceania is during winter, yet the highlands which reach 1400m rarely record snow in the summer.

Maybe once an August but not deep snow or frequent snow.
What's water temperature got to do with it? The sea water here is warmer now, than Scotland gets during summer, yet yesterday there was snow down to 1000m on the coast, and 600m about 20 km inland. It's actually the relatively warm sea temperatures that gives the NZ mountains, what is probably the highest snowfall on the planet.

Try having a look at the isobars on a weather map sometime.
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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Its all about the upper air temps which are much colder here due to our more northern position and MUCH closer postion to cold air
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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Its all about the upper air temps which are much colder here due to our more northern position and MUCH closer postion to cold air
As I said, look at a weather map. Look at the isobars from the south, and consider the effects of a high pressure cell effectively collapsing. That is the typical summer snow scenario.

How does that compare to your neck of the woods.?
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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Its all about the upper air temps which are much colder here due to our more northern position and MUCH closer postion to cold air
You haven't a darn clue.
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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As I said, look at a weather map. Look at the isobars from the south, and consider the effects of a high pressure cell effectively collapsing. That is the typical summer snow scenario.

How does that compare to your neck of the woods.?
I'm sorry but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I only understand temp.
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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I'm sorry but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I only understand temp.
Exactly like I reinforced above.
 
Old 08-04-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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I'm sorry but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Yep, I get that.

Consider what I just said about how it snowed here yesterday down to 1000m (600m inland) even though the temperature reached 15C, and the sea temperature is warmer than Scotland in summer.

Don't try to explain how it couldn't have happened. Try to understand how it did happen.

A key to a better understanding of NZ climate, is understanding the nature of Australian high pressure zones.
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