Climate Battle: Portland, Oregon vs Hastings, England (hot, average, temperature)
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The new US method is BAD (cloudy, partly cloudy and sunny days). It understates sunshine hours because it cares about cloud cover. Do you know how many times there is a sunny day in Seattle all day and at the end of the day, I look at the stats and it says 80% cloudy because there were broken clouds all day.
The new method isn't a measurement of sunshine — it's a measurement of skycover.
As if the last two years were representative of your average conditions. There has been a crazy warm PDO the last two years with all that anomalously warm water off your coast. Just wait till the flip back to cold in a year or two (I hope). PDO gives your area colder winters and probably cooler summers. Jan 1950 Seattle went down to 0F. I highly doubt that would ever happen on the south coast of England.
He spent 1 week in the UK in July 2004 (which was a below average month). If he was there just 1-2 weeks later he would've experienced temps in the mid-80s for a couple of weeks. You can't judge a climate based on a short visit.
Jan 1950 Seattle went down to 0F. I highly doubt that would ever happen on the south coast of England.
That's the only time in history. It will never happen again. Last few winters, it hasn't even dropped below 20F (-7C) and it has happened very few times. Seattle also reached 103F (39C) in 2009 and has reached 96+ many times in the last 10 years. Portland hits 100F almost every summer. I highly doubt that happens in the UK because it has more moderate climate and lacks both extremes.
Had to say something, this post is mostly full of uninformed anecdotal rubbish. Much of central Europe has warmer summers than Portland. Also look at most of France (inc. north of the alps). Germany isn't so great, but western parts of northern Europe outdo the PacNW comparing latitude for latitude.
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hmm would you consider all of Oregon and Washington as part of the "PNW" because just about 100 miles inland from Portland and Seattle you would get average high temps in the summer that would be difficult for many parts Mediterranean Europe to reach
^^ But those locales also have chilly nights that bring the averages down to the 20°C-70°F range.
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Originally Posted by tom77falcons
Limoges, France is warmer than Portland in summer also and that is closer to the Atlantic. Budapest, Bratislava, and Bucharest are warmer in summer as well.
The climate chart for Limoges on the English Wikipedia had been vandalized. The airport is 402 m asl, no way it would have averaged warmer highs than Portland (there's no Meteo-France station with public data access nearby - the city averages a bit warmer as it is about 100 m lower). Anyway, the mediterranean-like precipitation pattern was wrong. It's been edited by a good Samaritan since then: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...663084#Climate
^^ But those locales also have chilly nights that bring the averages down to the 20°C-70°F range.
Yes that is true, but the discussion centered around maximum temps, and nowhere in Europe (with the exception of maybe the Volga River valley are the average max temps of 32C+ at 48N as there is in the PNW
Indeed. Having a 90°F average high at 48N is quite impressive. But the Volga valley locales at similar latitudes, even if cooler during the day, would average warmer thanks to the much warmer nights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamyshin#Climate
Portland has a lower average mean than most of Italian cities at the same latitude (Milan, Venice, Udine, Verona, Treviso and many other). Also in Northern Italy summers are notably warmer than Portland.
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