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Old 04-01-2016, 07:35 PM
 
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No it isn't.
I said temperature wise, and I have facts and statistics to back me up.
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Old 04-01-2016, 08:31 PM
 
Location: New York
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I said temperature wise, and I have facts and statistics to back me up.
Your facts and statistics may be in error. My numbers come from the National Weather Service.

Philadelphia (KPHL) has average annual mean of 55.8F

New York City (KLGA) has an average annual mean of 55.7F (0.1F cooler)

Washington (KDCA) has an average annual mean of 58.2F (2.4F warmer)
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Old 04-01-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: New York
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I averaged their summer and winter months together and Philadelphia is still closer to NYC than DC, although they're all quite close to each other climatologically (and geographically) speaking.

Summer
PHL - 75.9F
LGA - 75.6F (0.3F cooler)
DCA - 78.2F (2.3F warmer)

Winter
PHL - 35.8F
LGA - 35.9F (0.1F warmer)
DCA - 38.3F (2.5F warmer)
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Old 04-01-2016, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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I averaged their summer and winter months together and Philadelphia is still closer to NYC than DC, although they're all quite close to each other climatologically (and geographically) speaking.

Summer
PHL - 75.9F
LGA - 75.6F (0.3F cooler)
DCA - 78.2F (2.3F warmer)

Winter
PHL - 35.8F
LGA - 35.9F (0.1F warmer)
DCA - 38.3F (2.5F warmer)


Why are you using the warmest station in NYC area? Why not JFK which Philly airport is warmer than by 1.5F. Why not Central Park, which Philly is warmer than NY by .9F. Or even right in the Bronx at that NOAA station. There we are warmer 55.8 vs 55.1F.


You picked the warmest station in NYC and compared it to our airport. How bout we compare your warmest, LaGuardia, to our warmest the Franklin Institute in about as much as the UHI as your warmest station is. And the UHI of NYC is leaps more impressive than ours.


Franklin Institute 1981-2010 averages, from NOAA, vs LaGuardia.


July averages 88/70.2F vs 85.3/69.5 and that high temps makes a huge difference.


Jan averages 40.4/27.4F vs 39.3/26.6F. Not a great as difference, but still even the low and high are warmer here as all of us that have been to NYC in winter or summer can attest. NYC is not as warm as Philly in any month. And you can feel it when you go there.


NYC has never really felt all that impressively warm to me. DC on the other hand is far warmer than NYC winter and summer, and is noticeably warmer than Philly. Baltimore on the other hand feels much like Philly and I've been there multiple times in any season. It is barely 1.5 hours south on I-95.




Oh and here are the difference in the means in the three locations using their warmest NOAA stations:


LaGuardia 55.4F(not the 55.7 you claim).


Franklin Institute 57.0F


DC 58.1F.


So, Philly is actually closer to DC in temps than it is to NYC.


Below are the actual 1981-2010 climate tables for each locale from NOAA's website.


NYC is just not as warm as Philly, and Philly actually is closer to DC.



NYC LGA




Philly Franklin Institute on Logan Circle




And another airport right in the heart of a UHI Reagan Intl in DC.



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Old 04-02-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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Why are you using the warmest station in NYC area? Why not JFK which Philly airport is warmer than by 1.5F. Why not Central Park, which Philly is warmer than NY by .9F. Or even right in the Bronx at that NOAA station. There we are warmer 55.8 vs 55.1F.


You picked the warmest station in NYC and compared it to our airport. How bout we compare your warmest, LaGuardia, to our warmest the Franklin Institute in about as much as the UHI as your warmest station is. And the UHI of NYC is leaps more impressive than ours.


Franklin Institute 1981-2010 averages, from NOAA, vs LaGuardia.


July averages 88/70.2F vs 85.3/69.5 and that high temps makes a huge difference.


Jan averages 40.4/27.4F vs 39.3/26.6F. Not a great as difference, but still even the low and high are warmer here as all of us that have been to NYC in winter or summer can attest. NYC is not as warm as Philly in any month. And you can feel it when you go there.


NYC has never really felt all that impressively warm to me. DC on the other hand is far warmer than NYC winter and summer, and is noticeably warmer than Philly. Baltimore on the other hand feels much like Philly and I've been there multiple times in any season. It is barely 1.5 hours south on I-95.




Oh and here are the difference in the means in the three locations using their warmest NOAA stations:


LaGuardia 55.4F(not the 55.7 you claim).


Franklin Institute 57.0F


DC 58.1F.


So, Philly is actually closer to DC in temps than it is to NYC.


Below are the actual 1981-2010 climate tables for each locale from NOAA's website.


NYC is just not as warm as Philly, and Philly actually is closer to DC.



NYC LGA




Philly Franklin Institute on Logan Circle




And another airport right in the heart of a UHI Reagan Intl in DC.


Thank you, I was about to show proof myself using a really nice website I found called currentresults.com
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Old 04-02-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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DC is just slightly more similar to Atlanta than NYC in the Summer. Also I was surprised to find that Baltimore was slightly hotter than both DC and Atlanta in the summer.
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Old 04-02-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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Lol philadelphia overall is more like dc than nyc. It is a lot like baltimore, they have the same average high, 87, and both get close amounts of average annual snow totals (baltimore: 20.2 inches, philly was like 22 inches)
Not really.

DC AVERAGE JUL. 88

Philly AVERAGE JUL. 87

NYC AVERAGE JUL. 85


DC AVERAGE JAN. 43

Philly AVERAGE JAN. 40

NYC AVERAGE JAN. 40

Philadelphia is a little closer to NYC than DC overall.
Baltimore is more like DC and Philly more like NYC.

Btw Baltimore's average high in jul. is 89
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Old 04-02-2016, 09:06 AM
 
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Not really.

DC AVERAGE JUL. 88

Philly AVERAGE JUL. 87

NYC AVERAGE JUL. 85


DC AVERAGE JAN. 43

Philly AVERAGE JAN. 40

NYC AVERAGE JAN. 40

Philadelphia is a little closer to NYC than DC overall.
Baltimore is more like DC and Philly more like NYC.

Btw Baltimore's average high in jul. is 89
first, NYC january average high is 38: https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...th-average.php

philly is slightly closer to the nyc temp in winter, but closer to dc during the summer.

Also, nyc high in july is 84 on average.

baltimore and philly are closest alike, baltimore has an average high of 87, just like philly. It is also closest to philly in the winter, average high of 41 in january. link: https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...th-average.php

I dont know what you are talking about, but it is off. Philly is obviously more like baltimore in temps and snowfall than NYC. I will say ti is atleast in the middle of NYC and DC. But, I am convinced you are lying when you said philly is more like nyc than baltimore.
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Old 04-02-2016, 09:32 AM
 
Location: NYC
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first, NYC january average high is 38: https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...th-average.php

philly is slightly closer to the nyc temp in winter, but closer to dc during the summer.

Also, nyc high in july is 84 on average.

baltimore and philly are closest alike, baltimore has an average high of 87, just like philly. It is also closest to philly in the winter, average high of 41 in january. link: https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...th-average.php

I dont know what you are talking about, but it is off. Philly is obviously more like baltimore in temps and snowfall than NYC. I will say ti is atleast in the middle of NYC and DC. But, I am convinced you are lying when you said philly is more like nyc than baltimore.
The sites I have seen seem to put DC and Baltimore closer together and Philly and NYC closer together. Atleast in mean temperatures. One of the sites I've seen DC was 88 in July, Baltimore was 89, Philly was 87 and NYC's LGA was 85. As for winter in January DC was 43, Baltimore was 42, Philly was 40 and NYC's LGA was 39. So overall Philly is slightly closer to NYC than it is to Baltimore. Baltimore is closer to DC in temperature than Philly. But you are correct that Philly has snowfall totals more similar to Baltimore than NYC.

Also is was using temps from NYC's LGA rather than from Central Park becuase Central Park is an enoemous green space in the middle of NYC UHI, so it is hardly representative of the UHI.
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Old 04-02-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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The sites I have seen seem to put DC and Baltimore closer together and Philly and NYC closer together. Atleast in mean temperatures. One of the sites I've seen DC was 88 in July, Baltimore was 89, Philly was 87 and NYC's LGA was 85. As for winter in January DC was 43, Baltimore was 42, Philly was 40 and NYC's LGA was 39. So overall Philly is slightly closer to NYC than it is to Baltimore. Baltimore is closer to DC in temperature than Philly. But you are correct that Philly has snowfall totals more similar to Baltimore than NYC.

Also is was using temps from NYC's LGA rather than from Central Park becuase Central Park is an enoemous green space in the middle of NYC UHI, so it is hardly representative of the UHI.
Well, can you show me proof of these websites? Your websites are could be outdated, while my websites always update to current results. Based off of my websites, baltimore and philly are closest, dc is in the middle of dc and nyc. I hope you did it by accident, I hope you arent another southern biased supporter of DC and MD
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