Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Weather
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-23-2016, 11:42 AM
B87
 
Location: Surrey/London
11,769 posts, read 10,597,260 times
Reputation: 3099

Advertisements

But if there were enough oaks available for pollination, they would sustain themselves. Trachys can tolerate temperatures colder than London has ever seen, so I'm sure they'd do just fine. They wouldn't survive in a beech forest, but then most things wouldn't. They would spread out from the suburbs and probably be found in grasslands, where there isn't much competition.

They, along with cordylines and eucalyptus especially, are self sustaining.

Last edited by B87; 05-23-2016 at 11:54 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-23-2016, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Finland
24,128 posts, read 24,808,159 times
Reputation: 11103
Quote:
Originally Posted by B87 View Post
But if there were enough oaks available for pollination, they would sustain themselves. Trachys can tolerate temperatures colder than London has ever seen, so I'm sure they'd do just fine.

They, along with cordylines and eucalyptus especially, are self sustaining.
The few beeches we have are self-sustaining. They might reproduce, but when they start to compete with the bullies birch and spruce, they have no chance. In a park the beeches seem to fare well, despite cold temps in winter. On the Norwegian western coast beeches do quite well, have adapted to the climate and can compete for sunlight. There it's a naturalised species, but not here, though both S Finland and S/SW coast of Norway are outside the natural range of the European beech.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
6,344 posts, read 4,407,749 times
Reputation: 1996
Quote:
Originally Posted by flamingGalah! View Post
Yep it's true. Trachycarpus fortunei has naturalised in some areas of southern UK, ( as they have in Switzerland too). Cordyline australis (the Caggage "palm" from New Zealand) has too...
Cool, makes sense windmills like cool summer and mild winters
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
22,216 posts, read 21,676,363 times
Reputation: 7608
Quote:
Originally Posted by B87 View Post
CIDPs have self seeded here as well. That will only become more common as more people plant them.

Oh, and many people grow passion fruit vines in the garden, must be so subtropical
Fruiting Passiflora edulis? After following UK garden forums years , I get the impression that to get actual passionfruit is rare, and seems to involve greenhouses.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
13,485 posts, read 9,027,668 times
Reputation: 3924
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariete View Post
An offspring of an odd planted species is not 'naturalised'. If in Oulu a rabbit catches and drops an acorn of an oak and eventually a tree grows, it doesn't mean that the oak would be naturalised. If the invading species can thrive indefinitely without human involvement, then it's naturalised (which is not the case of oaks in Oulu - too severe cold snaps, too weak summers, too much competition of native species). Trachies would never survive in an English beech forest. Or if a cold epoch arrives they would all be wiped out.
I know that, but there are areas where there are X number generations of Trachycarpus growing, usually they are in wooded areas of SW England close to inhabited areas. They are fairly slow growing so it would be a very gradual spread of them, but I very much doubt they would ever die from cold, especially in southern UK...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Finland
24,128 posts, read 24,808,159 times
Reputation: 11103
Quote:
Originally Posted by flamingGalah! View Post
I know that, but there are areas where there are X number generations of Trachycarpus growing, usually they are in wooded areas of SW England close to inhabited areas. They are fairly slow growing so it would be a very gradual spread of them, but I very much doubt they would ever die from cold, especially in southern UK...
I could say the same about the beeches in Riilahti in Southern Finland. They were planted 300 years ago on the premises of a mansion. Today they have a beautiful grove which has lasted for X generations. The beech is endemic in that tiny area, but not a naturalised species.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
12,623 posts, read 13,929,460 times
Reputation: 5895
This thread just goes on and on and the OP has never bothered to comment. I checked their posting history and they have been posting on other threads on city data. I really think this was a deliberate troll thread if you can't even be bothered to come back and defend yourself against claims that you were never a resident of the UK.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 01:49 PM
 
Location: New York
11,326 posts, read 20,332,923 times
Reputation: 6231
I don't think the OP intended for this thread to go the way it did.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 02:00 PM
B87
 
Location: Surrey/London
11,769 posts, read 10,597,260 times
Reputation: 3099
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe90 View Post
Fruiting Passiflora edulis? After following UK garden forums years , I get the impression that to get actual passionfruit is rare, and seems to involve greenhouses.
No, the most common species here is passiflora caerulea, which fruits every summer and can become invasive.

You can eat them, but only when they are very ripe.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-23-2016, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
16,191 posts, read 11,364,943 times
Reputation: 3530
Floridanative doesn't seem like a troll to me. Seemed like he was genuinely curious.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Weather
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:16 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top