Climate Battle: Choose your favorite warm sunbelt climate (cities, world, freeze)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by lommaren

Flagstaff is pretty glorious as well with all of that sunshine with moderate summers and not too cold winters!

Maybe to a Scandanavian they aren't too cold, but for us lowlanders, Flag winters are COLD. Their normal high is below 10°C from Nov 21st thru March 8th and their normal low is below 0°C from Oct 11th thru Apr 28th! Heck on Jun 1st, they have a normal low of +2.8°C still !

[Isleofpalms85]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Maybe to a Scandanavian they aren't too cold, but for us lowlanders, Flag winters are COLD. Their normal high is below 10°C from Nov 21st thru March 8th and their normal low is below 0°C from Oct 11th thru Apr 28th! Heck on Jun 1st, they have a normal low of +2.8°C still !

Without a doubt, considering the opinion of someone who lives in the subtropical desert lowlands of south central Arizona, which in comparison to Flagstaff has downright mild, if not balmy winter temperaturesI am not the least bit surprised that a person living in Phoenix would consider Flagstaff winters as cold, in fact, i doubt you would find the winters in the Dallas/Fort Worth Texas metroplex as being mild or maybe even tolerable

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Isleofpalms85

Without a doubt, considering the opinion of someone who lives in the subtropical desert lowlands of south central Arizona, which in comparison to Flagstaff has downright mild, if not balmy winter temperaturesI am not the least bit surprised that a person living in Phoenix would consider Flagstaff winters as cold, in fact, i doubt you would find the winters in the Dallas/Fort Worth Texas metroplex as being mild or maybe even tolerable

I view a Dallas winter as half cold, half mild, since their winters are very unstable. They are too cold for palm trees, thanks to the cold snaps which see 20°F+ deviations from normal, they see snow (even if just an inch or less) every winter, and ice every winter. I remember there was a cold snap in Jan '14 in Dallas where HIGHS were in the 30's and 40's for a week straight and saw snow on multiple days. That is shocking for a place at 32°N and only 500' in elevation

[muslim12]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I view a Dallas winter as half cold, half mild, since their winters are very unstable. They are too cold for palm trees, thanks to the cold snaps which see 20°F+ deviations from normal, they see snow (even if just an inch or less) every winter, and ice every winter. I remember there was a cold snap in Jan '14 in Dallas where HIGHS were in the 30's and 40's for a week straight and saw snow on multiple days. That is shocking for a place at 32°N and only 500' in elevation

Too cold for Palm trees....... You must be blind.

[Isleofpalms85]

Originally Posted by muslim12

Too cold for Palm trees....... You must be blind.

Yes there are a few palm trees planted here and there in Dallas, Texas, but they are not commonly planted in the overall landscapes, but yes, Dallas and Fort Worth are warm enough to support some of the cold hardy varieties of palm trees like pindo palms and windmill palms and a few other varieties of palm trees which are actually quite tender(and most likely wouldn't survive if the super arctic outbreaks of the 1970's and 1980's made a return), but in all fairness palms in general are planted in the DFW Metroplex rather sparingly and even these are often given winter protection.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by muslim12

Too cold for Palm trees....... You must be blind.

Really, I was just in the Metroplex in July, and I didn't see single palm tree. I know some people grow them in their yards there, and protect them during cold snaps, but they don't line the streets like they do here in the lower Southwest/California or Florida

[deneb78]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Really, I was just in the Metroplex in July, and I didn't see single palm tree. I know some people grow them in their yards there, and protect them during cold snaps, but they don't line the streets like they do here in the lower Southwest/California or Florida

That's pretty pathetic that Dallas can't even line their streets with palms at 32N and low elevation. Even Vancouver can line their streets with palms

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.03366...7i13312!8i6656

[deneb78]

Originally Posted by TechXyn

They can, it is a matter of wanting to or no. Those windmill palms in your street-view can easily grow in Dallas.

So then why don't people plant them widely along the streets?

[muslim12]

Originally Posted by deneb78

That's pretty pathetic that Dallas can't even line their streets with palms at 32N and low elevation. Even Vancouver can line their streets with palms

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.03366...7i13312!8i6656

I hope you know he is misleading you, all it takes is 5 minutes of research to dispel his claims. Washingtonias are planted there unprotected as are many other genus of palms. Look up Dallas palms see what Google images shows you, go to the palm boards, all it takes is a Google search or some street viewing.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by muslim12

I hope you know he is misleading you, all it takes is 5 minutes of research to dispel his claims. Washingtonias are planted there unprotected as are many other genus of palms. Look up Dallas palms see what Google images shows you, go to the palm boards, all it takes is a Google search or some street viewing.

What streets are they on? Because when I was there in July, I was in Denton, the HEB cities, Ft Worth, Arlington, Grand Prarie, Lancaster, and the south side of Dallas proper, and I didn't see one palm tree (being serious, not trolling)