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Old 05-03-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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According to Wikipedia cotton is naturally a perennial and it's only grown as an annual in order to control pests.

But yes, winter temperatures do define perennial vegetation whilst summer temps do not. To me that's the crux of the problem.
Why is that a problem? Environments are what they are.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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According to Wikipedia cotton is naturally a perennial and it's only grown as an annual in order to control pests.

But yes, winter temperatures do define perennial vegetation whilst summer temps do not. To me that's the crux of the problem.

Topic of thread: Joe90 was right, veg defines "winter" climate.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Why is that a problem? Environments are what they are.
It's a big problem if you're trying to establish that climate is defined by vegetation. Which is the whole point of this thread.

Although I guess scientifically speaking this thread refers specifically to winter climate on which case the problem is only half as big.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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It's a big problem if you're trying to establish that climate is defined by vegetation. Which is the whole point of this thread.

Although I guess scientifically speaking this thread refers specifically to winter climate on which case the problem is only half as big.

Which is warmer in winter, Atlanta or Scilly Isles based on temps and vegetation? 46.8F (Scilly) vs 45.2F (Atlanta). Scilly is warmer in winter and it shows.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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It's a big problem if you're trying to establish that climate is defined by vegetation. Which is the whole point of this thread.

Although I guess scientifically speaking this thread refers specifically to winter climate on which case the problem is only half as big.
Climate is absolutely defined by vegetation, while climate classifications aren't necessarily defined by climate.

The problem with using vegetation, is when someone does not have enough specific botanical knowledge.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Which is warmer in winter, Atlanta or Scilly Isles based on temps and vegetation? 46.8F (Scilly) vs 45.2F (Atlanta). Scilly is warmer in winter and it shows.
Wikipedia gives 46.4°F for Scilly BTW.

I wonder about Myrtle Beach (46.5) versus Scilly (46.4)?

But I don't fundamentally disagree with the concept that vegetation defines winter climate. I just don't find it very useful because it's only one part of the year. It's sort of like being able to predict who'll be leading the Superbowl at halftime: interesting but ultimately not helpful.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:37 PM
 
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Wikipedia gives 46.4°F for Scilly BTW.

I wonder about Myrtle Beach (46.5) versus Scilly (46.4)?

But I don't fundamentally disagree with the concept that vegetation defines winter climate. I just don't find it very useful because it's only one part of the year. It's sort of like being able to predict who'll be leading the Superbowl at halftime: interesting but ultimately not helpful.

Well also, I guess it depends on your preferences. As someone who grew up very depressed in winter cause of the dull colors, and first visiting FL in winter and being floored by the fact that is was very colorful and vibrant and alive.

I distinctly remember hearing leaves rustling at night in winter in FL and being wowed by that cause it so reminded me of my fav season summer. Here winter nights are extremely quiet and still and long. I was in a funk for about two weeks after returning home from there one year in January.

So I have always been more interested in what a place looks like in my worst season than my fav season. The more green and alive in winter, the less depressed I would be.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Climate is absolutely defined by vegetation, while climate classifications aren't necessarily defined by climate.

The problem with using vegetation, is when someone does not have enough specific botanical knowledge.
I know you see no benefits of climate classifications but the rest of the world does. Whence, they're tempted to use vegetation as the basis for their schema. However, at best such an approach is only partly useful.

And the limitations are not just to do with knowledge of botany (although ignorance in the field certainly doesn't help) but more to do with the fact that types of vegetation correlate rather poorly with types of climate. It's sort of like trying to guess someone's age when all you know is their hair colour.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Well also, I guess it depends on your preferences. As someone who grew up very depressed in winter cause of the dull colors, and first visiting FL in winter and being floored by the fact that is was very colorful and vibrant and alive.

I distinctly remember hearing leaves rustling at night in winter in FL and being wowed by that cause it so reminded me of my fav season summer. Here winter nights are extremely quiet and still and long. I was in a funk for about two weeks after returning home from there one year in January.

So I have always been more interested in what a place looks like in my worst season than my fav season. The more green and alive in winter, the less depressed I would be.
That makes sense to me although are you sure it applies universally? From the sounds of things around here southern England is a horrible gloomy and depressing place all through the winter and right into spring no matter how green it is.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:48 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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That makes sense to me although are you sure it applies universally? From the sounds of things around here southern England is a horrible gloomy and depressing place all through the winter and right into spring no matter how green it is.
This year is going to be in the top 3 cloudiest springs ever recorded, so it isn't normal.

Scilly averages 46.8F for the whole winter.
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