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People: don't feed the trolls or this thread will get deleted too.
Lots of so called 'subtropical' threads have been deleted haven't they! So far:
-Where would you draw the subtropical/temperate line on the US West Coast
-A sub tropical climate has all 12 months with a mean temperature over x(y) degrees Celsius
-The Southeast US is a Inhospitable Environment for Plants
-Does Washington D.C had a Humid subtropical climate?
-Edit: Marriam's classification system, if it counts
Would be nice indeed if we could keep this list from getting any longer. All those threads were pretty big, just like this one.
As for this thread JTM hit the nail on the head that short and cool winters do nothing to disqualify the bulk of the Southeast from being Cfa.
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Lots of so called 'subtropical' threads have been deleted haven't they! So far:
-Where would you draw the subtropical/temperate line on the US West Coast
-A sub tropical climate has all 12 months with a mean temperature over x(y) degrees Celsius
-The Southeast US is a Inhospitable Environment for Plants
-Does Washington D.C had a Humid subtropical climate?
-Edit: Marriam's classification system, if it counts
Would be nice indeed if we could keep this list from getting any longer. All those threads were pretty big, just like this one.
As for this thread JTM hit the nail on the head that short and cool winters do nothing to disqualify the bulk of the Southeast from being Cfa.
I really wish the entire thread hadn't been deleted. It was historic! Decimating the forum by deleting entire historic threads like that is exactly what the trolls want.
I do still think a serious discussion about subtropicalness can be had; it's funny how people get so emotional about it. I had some thoughts about your wind rose stuff but I'll hold off on posting them though until the situation cools down a bit.
While I regard subtropicalness as better applied to environment rather than climate, I still have have a certain qualitative view of what are called subtropical climate - they should be uncomfortable for a good part of the summer, and very little in winter, and in winter it should be confined to feeling a sense of chill no more than about 10% of daylight hours, only around morning and evening.
While I regard subtropicalness as better applied to environment rather than climate, I still have have a certain qualitative view of what are called subtropical climate - they should be uncomfortable for a good part of the summer, and very little in winter, and in winter it should be confined to feeling a sense of chill no more than about 10% of daylight hours, only around morning and evening.
Why does it need to be uncomfortable? Tropical climates can be comfortable year round ex:
^^^
Would be interested to know the sunshine for there, as even though the temperatures are close to ideal, the sunshine would certainly be uncomfortable, and it would have to be quite sticky with that humidity.
Lots of so called 'subtropical' threads have been deleted haven't they! So far:
-Where would you draw the subtropical/temperate line on the US West Coast
-A sub tropical climate has all 12 months with a mean temperature over x(y) degrees Celsius
-The Southeast US is a Inhospitable Environment for Plants
-Does Washington D.C had a Humid subtropical climate?
-Edit: Marriam's classification system, if it counts
Would be nice indeed if we could keep this list from getting any longer. All those threads were pretty big, just like this one.
As for this thread JTM hit the nail on the head that short and cool winters do nothing to disqualify the bulk of the Southeast from being Cfa.
Short and cool winters. Define that? How long would it be cool/cold for?
Short and cool winters. Define that? How long would it be cool/cold for?
Cool winter parts of the Southeast tend to only have 1-3 months of cool winter weather. And usually they will have a mild winter month as well (even in the coolest, March is mild prior to the spring equinox).
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Humid Subtropical (Cfa) is just a catch-all category: Too cold to be tropical, too warm to be continental.
Somebody tried the Jaunary 50F (10C) isotherm, would would be at the northern boundary of the FL Panhandle, but even this has problems.
Going east, it continues on that line to just west of the Okefenokee Swamp, then slants NE, hitting the Atlantic around Charleston. Going west, it basically follows latitude 31N (the N boundary of the "toe" of the Louisiana boot) and continues westward to -- somewhere between Waco and Austin.
Still, this puts Dallas and central Georgia in the same category as NYC and St Louis (on the Miss River, the January 32F(0 C) line. This also is absurd.
The best I can come up with is "3 months from 32-50F / 0-10C". That puts the line at about 100 miles north of Dallas, then going east to Little Rock and Memphis. BTW St Louis has either 4 or 5 months from 32-50F / 0-10C.
On the East Coast, I think, but not sure, that would put the boundary somewhere around Norfolk.
This is the best I can come up with: Split Cfa into three zones. Subtropical, mild-to-cool winter temperate, cool-but-not-cold winter temperate.
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