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Old 07-28-2009, 05:55 PM
 
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I'm asking a question here...many of you are very good data miners.

West Virginia has a great cash cow in the PEIA insurance program for the majority of state workers and teachers.

How are they going to dismantle this program and give away the money.

Especially to the federal government. I see a rivalry here for the pot...one groups of crooks not wanting to give it up to another group of crooks..

The federal program, to me is a return to the company doctor idea that existed in the coal mines when I was a kid...the nurse took your temp..looked at your throat and gave you a penicillin shot...your lived or died..simple as that...must have worked...as I'm still here.

any thoughts out there in la la land...?

 
Old 07-28-2009, 08:46 PM
 
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To continue:

What if I'm a teacher in the secondary school system and have my minimum 25 years in...
I'm promised full health care at a later date/age.

What happens to that promise...is it an empty promise and the money I set aside in the program....what happens to that money?

It's my money....If the fund is ended, will I get a refund of my full contributions?
 
Old 07-28-2009, 08:56 PM
BJC
 
Location: Warrenton, VA
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David, I am not a teacher, and as sad as what you have said in your post would be if it were to happen it made me laugh, like yea really thay will get a refund.....NO way, that money will be gone

this will be like free health care for retired military. that promise has been broken

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Old 07-29-2009, 03:24 AM
 
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any thoughts out there in la la land...?
At a glance :

If lawmakers have a thousand pages dumped on them with only a couple of days to read it, that alone should be reason to oppose this.

I agree with some opinions in dissent regarding this rush to socialism, that health care costs would probably lower in this country by default if we addressed tort reform instead (or to begin with).

Aiding and abetting illegal aliens is a crime. They have bankrupted hospitals throughout this country using emergency rooms as their primary care, and this abuse is furthered as they are usually non-paying. Hospitals, to their detriment, do not turn them away, and Federal tax dollars (your dollars) are used to prop them up in these losses. Any lawmaker attempting to use this as a ruse to provide health care to illegal aliens should be arrested. It is criminal intent.

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Old 07-29-2009, 04:00 PM
 
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WHAT? WHAT? You're making a suggestion that the problem with medical costs are lawsuits?

Might have an idea there...
A few years ago our Doctors left the state because of malpractice insurance being too high...What would drive that cost up?

Of course THIS IS THE PROBLEM ... it's the 900 lb gorrilla in the room that nobody sees.


Obama-land will take care of that for us...

I'm wondering if the new Health Care Bill will have a Termination Fee at a certain age...say 85.

A $5.00 fee for the injection of Clorox to send us of to the non-tax payer land.

You do realize that they are not going to let us live and suck the system dry...can't save money by doing that.

They will herd us onto trains and send us to Buchenwald (I mean Oregon).
Take us to the showers and bingo...we're a bag of fertilizer.

Dr. Kervorkian's statue will greet us at the barbed wire enclosure.

You are laughing...I will too...ha ha ha.
 
Old 07-29-2009, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Folks in the eastern panhandle have been clamoring for years for tort reform. Very active and vocal chamber of commerce, getting signatories for petitions...

But there is no way to get this tick off the legislative dogs. Too many 'constituents' would be uspet, and too many dogs would lose their gravy bowl.

The trial lawyers association is so damn huge in this country.. Everyone looks at industries and what their contribution is to GDP, including healthcare, but nowhere is there an analysis of what excessive tort abuse does in relation. At least not that I'm aware of credibly.

You can't fix healthcare without putting the hammer down on them. Can't be done. A band-aid on a sucking chest wound is all it'd be.
 
Old 07-29-2009, 05:35 PM
 
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Default treatment of elders in the new society

My wife watched a show today and they were stating that if there comes a time of a major epidemic (or maybe it is pandemic now) that people over 85 would not be allowed to be treated unless all the younger folks had already been treated. Also, past a certain age, there will be no elective surgery such as hip replacement because of the added cost to "the system".

Is this stuff for real? I know there is NOT ONE member of Congress who has read that bill in totality and I bet Hussein and Joe haven't either.

It will end up like the House of Rep passing the Cap and Trade bill with a 300 page amendment given out and expecting a vote almost immediately.

I see American heading toward another American Revolution.

These quotes were published in 1942 by William J. H. Boetcker, a Presbyterian minister. He released a pamphlet titled Lincoln On Limitations, which did include a Lincoln quote, but also added 10 statements written by Boetcker himself.

They were:

1. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
2. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong
3. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
4. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
5. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
6. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
7. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
8. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
9. You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
10 You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves.

Very smart comments and very appropriate for the times of today!
 
Old 07-29-2009, 06:06 PM
 
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Thank God we have China as a positive Capitalistic role model...the planet might still have a chance between them and India.

It's about gangster groups...transfer the wealth?

That's because there is so much money, It can't be robbed outright and put in a truck or container...

It must be placed in new businesses that are run by the mob.

Is the picture getting clearer here as to what is going on...Where is the money? Where is it going?
 
Old 07-29-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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I know there is NOT ONE member of Congress who has read that bill in totality and I bet Hussein and Joe haven't either.
By his own admission, the occupant of the White House was unfamiliar with a section when recently asked a question about it.

Here's a gem :
As noted in a recent CNSNews.com video report, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, questioned the point of reading a health care bill:
“I love these members of Congress that get up and say, ‘Read the bill.’ What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?” – from CNSNews.com, at National Press Club (July 27, 2009)

BTW : this same fellow, is one of the lunatics promoting hate crime and hate speech.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

A few links :

H.R.3200
America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress):
H.R.3200: America's Affordable Health Choices... OpenCongress


Effects on Private Coverage and the Uninsured
• 48 percent of privately insured Americans would transition out of private insurance. Of the estimated 172.5 million people with private health insurance, there would be a decline of 83.4 million people with private coverage.
• 56 percent of Americans with employer-based coverage would lose their current insurance. Of the estimated 158.1 million Americans with employer-based coverage, 88.1 million people would be shifted out of their current employer-based plan.
• 80 percent of Americans in a health insurance exchange would end up in the public plan. Of the estimated 129.6 million people who would obtain coverage through an exchange, 103.4 million people would be covered by the public plan.
• 34 percent of the uninsured in America would still lack coverage. Of the estimated 49.1 million people without health insurance, the legislation would only reduce the uninsured by 32.6 million people, leaving 16.5 million people without coverage.

Effects on Physicians and Hospitals
• Physicians would see their payment levels decline by $31.7 billion as a consequence of the new public plan. While physician net income may increase under the bill primarily due to other Medicare changes, a public plan with Medicare-based payments would lower reimbursements. Today, Medicare physician payments are, on average, 81 percent of private payments.
• Hospitals could see their net annual income fall by $61.9 billion, which roughly eliminates hospital total margins. This significant loss in hospital income is also overwhelmingly attributable to the public plan using Medicare-based payments. Today, Medicare hospital payments are, on average, 68 percent of private payments.
Obama Health Care Plan - Rapid Response | The Heritage Foundation


re : illegal aliens
Granted, it's only one issue, but they fully intend to make it so illegal aliens will recieve government subsidized healthcare. That's called aiding and abetting.

Contact :
US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement


re :
Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
. . Last week, ********* Obama spilled the beans on the Today Show that he had met with CBO director Douglas Elmendorf – just as the number-crunchers were casting ruinous doubt on White House cost-saving claims. Yes, question the timing. The CBO is supposed to be a neutral score-keeper – not a water boy for the White House. But when the meeting failed to stop the CBO from issuing more analysis undercutting the health care savings claims, Obama’s budget director Peter Orszag played the heavy.
Orszag warned the CBO in a public letter that it risked feeding the perception that it was “exaggerating costs and underestimating savings.”
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/29/bully-boys-a-brief-history-of-white-house-thuggery/

That's quite an accusation by the White House. I'm sure the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) would appreciate any support of it being smeared like this, and being subjected to this awkward breach of ethics.

Contact :
Committee on Standards of Official Conduct
Committee on Standards of Official Conduct

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Old 07-29-2009, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Hartford
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[quote=bballjunkie;10009720]

I see American heading toward another American Revolution. quote]

I think American Revolution is a dead term. People are too comfortable to give anything up. I think, sadly, America will be herded towards socialism, and we will be too 'civialized' to stand up to it. You have to ask yourself though, if America gives in, where else do we have to go?
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