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Old 01-26-2014, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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That ^^^ @ 9:28 is not at all what Granitestater was implying in their earlier post that you are selectively quoting from.

You folks who are excited about doing away with or lowering the state income tax as a panacea for all things wonderful should try living in a relatively lower taxation state like Georgia where many people continue to live in desperate poverty in rural as well as urban areas, where the infrastructure is crumbling because taxpayers don't want to pay for it's upkeep anymore, where public education levels & standards are a JOKE compared to what is generally found in the midwest & where per capita income has stagnated for a decade as compared to the national average despite all the chips being arranged to benefit & attract business. Trust me, this ain't the land of milk and honey & nothing that Walker is doing in Fitzwalkerstan is going to deliver that up there for you either. That method has failed in Georgia!
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Old 01-26-2014, 09:37 PM
 
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That ^^^ @ 9:28 is not at all what Granitestater was implying in their earlier post that you are selectively quoting from.

You folks who are excited about doing away with or lowering the state income tax as a panacea for all things wonderful should try living in a relatively lower taxation state like Georgia where many people continue to live in desperate poverty in rural as well as urban areas, where the infrastructure is crumbling because taxpayers don't want to pay for it's upkeep anymore, where public education levels & standards are a JOKE compared to what is generally found in the midwest & where per capita income has stagnated for a decade as compared to the national average despite all the chips being arranged to benefit & attract business. Trust me, this ain't the land of milk and honey & nothing that Walker is doing in Fitzwalkerstan is going to deliver that up there for you either. That method has failed in Georgia!
I'll argue this all day.....
Apples and oranges, and the differences are more cultural than political.
Georgia has been in that condition for decades if not centuries. Yes, even when it was predominantly democratic. It's not like Georgia was the most affluent state in the union and the republicans took over in 1987 and ran it into the ground.... We really need to acknowledge true history here. The south has been what it is far longer than modern day petty liberal-conservative politics. Why is that so hard to grasp? However, the south isn't remotely as horrific as some try to make it sound. If anything, one has plenty of opportunity down there to make of it what you want, unlike some parts of the country where you're pretty much stuck with what it is.
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Old 01-27-2014, 04:47 AM
 
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I'll argue this all day.....
Apples and oranges, and the differences are more cultural than political.
Georgia has been in that condition for decades if not centuries. Yes, even when it was predominantly democratic. It's not like Georgia was the most affluent state in the union and the republicans took over in 1987 and ran it into the ground.... We really need to acknowledge true history here. The south has been what it is far longer than modern day petty liberal-conservative politics. Why is that so hard to grasp? However, the south isn't remotely as horrific as some try to make it sound. If anything, one has plenty of opportunity down there to make of it what you want, unlike some parts of the country where you're pretty much stuck with what it is.

If someone is going to blame republicans for the condition of Georgia, then they can blame democrats for the current condition of the city of Detroit.
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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That ^^^ @ 9:28 is not at all what Granitestater was implying in their earlier post that you are selectively quoting from.

You folks who are excited about doing away with or lowering the state income tax as a panacea for all things wonderful should try living in a relatively lower taxation state like Georgia where many people continue to live in desperate poverty in rural as well as urban areas, where the infrastructure is crumbling because taxpayers don't want to pay for it's upkeep anymore, where public education levels & standards are a JOKE compared to what is generally found in the midwest & where per capita income has stagnated for a decade as compared to the national average despite all the chips being arranged to benefit & attract business. Trust me, this ain't the land of milk and honey & nothing that Walker is doing in Fitzwalkerstan is going to deliver that up there for you either. That method has failed in Georgia!
I'll second the apples and oranges comment above. My guess is that the culture in GA. is much like NC, which I have personally experienced. The whole attitude of the folks in the rural south is completely different than Wis. Wis. people generally put a high value on parks, clean environment and good schools. They want their children to have a safe clean place to go to school, and they raise their children to plan to go out and make something of themselves. NC rural culture was completely redneck. Its unbelievable how different it really is. Where I lived, the folks who had some money sent their kids to the private schools, because the public schools were really bad. But the movers and shakers cared nothing about making the schools better, because their family didn't go there. So the public schools were where the common folks, blacks and working class whites sent their schools, and they were bad. And those folks didn't complain, cause a lot of them had very little ambition to make a better life for themselves. I'll cite some examples of the work ethic in NC.

Some folks would work for a while and save their money, then quit their job so they could just stay home and do nothing, or go hunting and fishing. When the money ran out, they went back to work. 2. One local company had a manufacturing plant in town, and another in Waukesha. Yet, because of the poor work ethic, the Waukesha plant had lower manufacturing costs, even though the wages in Waukesha were much higher. So, no, you can't compare the south in general with the culture in the north.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:35 PM
 
Location: IN
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Many rural areas of northern Michigan have severe economic problems. Many who live in this area live off welfare 6 months of the year and tourism dollars the other half the year. Living in a higher-taxed state does not guarantee prosperity.
Yes, rural areas in the Northwoods have harsh economic realities, never denied that- outside the tourism dependent areas. However, Michigan is not a high taxed state compared to many others. It is middle of the road on taxes with a low COL.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: IN
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I'll argue this all day.....
Apples and oranges, and the differences are more cultural than political.
Georgia has been in that condition for decades if not centuries. Yes, even when it was predominantly democratic. It's not like Georgia was the most affluent state in the union and the republicans took over in 1987 and ran it into the ground.... We really need to acknowledge true history here. The south has been what it is far longer than modern day petty liberal-conservative politics. Why is that so hard to grasp? However, the south isn't remotely as horrific as some try to make it sound. If anything, one has plenty of opportunity down there to make of it what you want, unlike some parts of the country where you're pretty much stuck with what it is.
I don't think you are acknowledging that the urban areas of the large cities of the South are in fact completely different than many of the rural areas. The poverty rate alone is often 20-25% higher in the rural counties compared to many of the metropolitan counties that have seen a good percentage of job growth in the past few decades.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:23 PM
 
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As a conservative Republican Southerner, I look forward to Governor Walker running for President.

Here's a taste of what some on the right have to say about Walker:

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Is there a single candidate who has actually decimated his enemies? We're not talking about simply out-raising them, or yelling at them publicly, or beating them in election. I mean destroying them by ripping a cancerous umbilical cord of revenue right off their gaping navel?

And had his actions upheld in court, cementing their effect?

And fought back a recall mounted by his enemies, beating them back by a wider margin than he had initially galloped into office with?

And, like a true modern day Robin Hood, is giving back the savings to the people who had unwillfully provided such a lifeline?

And does all this from behind the Blue Wall?

And has dreamy eyes?
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/346759.php
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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As a conservative Republican Southerner, I look forward to Governor Walker running for President.

Here's a taste of what some on the right have to say about Walker:



Ace of Spades HQ

Yeah, that is what we need more of in politics. Talk of a warlike battlefield and "decimating" enemies.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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Yeah, but that's just "talk". Nobody's tires were slashed and Walker wouldn't use the IRS to go after political enemies.
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Drudge report linked to an article that lists the 10 states with the highest taxes, and no surprise, Wis. is on the list. IMHO, making Wis. attractive to non-resident businesses and individuals, is a real uphill battle. Considering the weather and the taxes, it is going to be a real uphill climb to revitalize the state and get it growing again.
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