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Old 01-08-2013, 07:54 PM
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I don't believe these work. I think it's a bunch of fluff and a complete waste of time, especially in this economy.

I doubt very seriously a well put together "thank you note" is going to put you over the edge of someone they really like or have already considered.

Agreed, I have been invited to a second interview without sending a thank you letter and never been called back after sending a thank you letter.

Thank you letters are optional
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:17 PM
 
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Speaking from the perspective of a hiring manager, I usually reserve the "regret to inform you" phone calls for individuals that I found to be:
1. Suited for an entirely different position altogether (to see if they may be interested in a different job).
2. The final group of candidates (to keep them in the pipeline if a similar position opens up).

So take some solace, OP, in that you might have been one of the above. I do know many of my peers go the email route. I usually just do that (email) for those that I reject on the resume review process. You know, one of the "We have received your resume and will keep it on file for future openings." soft rejections. I always end the interview with an explanation of the next steps - leaving a solid date that I will be contacting them by for the next round of interviews, or when the selection will be made by.

Thank You letters are a waste, IMO. A thank you email is far more effective, if written well, as it gives the candidate a chance to reinforce their strengths, etc. If I do a phone interview (my second step after resume screens), and get an email to the effect of "Thanks for the opportunity to talk... I feel I would be an asset due to my stregths/experience, etc. I look forward to meeting with you to discuss the opportunity further", 99 times out of 100, I schedule a face to face. Granted, I'm generally interviewing for sales jobs, so how a person sells themselves is very important, but I feel the principal still stands. In fact, this email is far more effective than a cover letter (circular file).

Just my .02. Good luck with the job hunt - from the tone of your post, this job wasn't a good fit anyway.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:34 PM
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Speaking from the perspective of a hiring manager, I usually reserve the "regret to inform you" phone calls for individuals that I found to be:
1. Suited for an entirely different position altogether (to see if they may be interested in a different job).
2. The final group of candidates (to keep them in the pipeline if a similar position opens up).

So take some solace, OP, in that you might have been one of the above. I do know many of my peers go the email route. I usually just do that (email) for those that I reject on the resume review process. You know, one of the "We have received your resume and will keep it on file for future openings." soft rejections. I always end the interview with an explanation of the next steps - leaving a solid date that I will be contacting them by for the next round of interviews, or when the selection will be made by.

Thank You letters are a waste, IMO. A thank you email is far more effective, if written well, as it gives the candidate a chance to reinforce their strengths, etc. If I do a phone interview (my second step after resume screens), and get an email to the effect of "Thanks for the opportunity to talk... I feel I would be an asset due to my stregths/experience, etc. I look forward to meeting with you to discuss the opportunity further", 99 times out of 100, I schedule a face to face. Granted, I'm generally interviewing for sales jobs, so how a person sells themselves is very important, but I feel the principal still stands. In fact, this email is far more effective than a cover letter (circular file).

Just my .02. Good luck with the job hunt - from the tone of your post, this job wasn't a good fit anyway.


Why call though to send tell someone bad news? Wouldn't be easier for you to just send the applicant a email or mail a letter? Most people will think they are being offered the job if the phone rings and the company they interviewed with is on the caller id.

The last two times I received a phone call after a interview was because I was being offered the job not being told......."we chose someone else"
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:01 PM
 
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Why call though to send tell someone bad news? Wouldn't be easier for you to just send the applicant a email or mail a letter? Most people will think they are being offered the job if the phone rings and the company they interviewed with is on the caller id.

The last two times I received a phone call after a interview was because I was being offered the job not being told......."we chose someone else"
Basically, I call to keep them in my pipeline, as they would have had to gone through an in-person interview to get to that stage, and I only in-person candidates that get past my phone interview. Or, I call to let them know this job wasn't for them, if I think they'll fit another position.

Yes, it would probably be easier for me to send a generic email, but I've never had a single complaint. I'm very open and honest about why they weren't chosen and have spent hours on the phone providing feedback on how they could strengthen their interview. As a side note, have hired 5 people in the past 7 years that I rejected once before.

It's all about expectations.

Resume Screen - they get a call to schedule a phone interview, or a form rejection letter.

Phone Interview - I end the conversation explaining that we will be calling on X Date to set up the next round of interviews for candidates. I don't call the ones that don't make it past this point, but they were told we were only calling the "next level" candidates. This is where I might call someone that didn't fit this job, but would fit another position. Those that do pass this point, I call for a:

Peer Interview (teamwork and team personality fit is a big issue). These candidates are told at the end of the conversation we will be calling by X date to schedule final interviews. I don't call the ones that don't make it past this step, since all I'd be saying is "yeah, the team didn't like you".

Final Interview. They've already jumped through hoops. I've got the resume field narrowed down to top 5-10%, and would likely hire any one of them. These I want to keep as contacts, for when I have a position available down the line. I end these interviews telling them that I will be in touch with them, regardless of the hiring decison.

Yes, some of these calls are difficult. However, since the process is clearly defined from the outset and the expectations are set, it makes it a bit easier. Those final candidates are expecting a call regardless - it's just the topic they might not like.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:25 AM
 
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I applied for a job and got a call back for an interview. I went in for the interview and I left with a bad vibe. I just didn't think I would get the job. So, I didn't send a thank-you note. I didn't hear a word from them via email or mail for almost a month to tell me I didn't get the job. I checked my voice mail recently and low and behold they said they offered the job to someone else! Why reject someone via PHONE? What if I had of answered the phone???
Most people would be glad to get a personal phone call. I don't get why you are complaining.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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I applied for a job and got a call back for an interview. I went in for the interview and I left with a bad vibe. I just didn't think I would get the job. So, I didn't send a thank-you note. I didn't hear a word from them via email or mail for almost a month to tell me I didn't get the job. I checked my voice mail recently and low and behold they said they offered the job to someone else! Why reject someone via PHONE? What if I had of answered the phone???
Why would you not send a thank you note? Even if you think it went poorly, you should still express gratitude and send a quick email to your potential employer. It's in good taste. Also, I think it's one of those "unwritten rules" of the job hunt--you've just gotta do it. However, I suppose if you really didn't want the job at all in the first place, that's fine.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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I have sent numerous thank-you notes and not gotten an offer. I just decided that I would not bother.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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Why call though to send tell someone bad news? Wouldn't be easier for you to just send the applicant a email or mail a letter? Most people will think they are being offered the job if the phone rings and the company they interviewed with is on the caller id.

The last two times I received a phone call after a interview was because I was being offered the job not being told......."we chose someone else"
Agreed. Why waste time calling someone to say you didn't get the job? I just further deepens the rejection.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:22 PM
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Agreed. Why waste time calling someone to say you didn't get the job? I just further deepens the rejection.

Yes it's stupid and I know you were glad you missed that call because I know you would have felt like hanging up on the person.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Yes it's stupid and I know you were glad you missed that call because I know you would have felt like hanging up on the person.
Exactly! The economy sucks and employers feel that they do what they want!
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