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The funny thing is, in the old days younger workers made an attempt to look older because that was better for your career back then. Now I guess the closer you look to 12 the better off you are LOL. I’m bringing a skateboard to my next interview.
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It’s all about having a young, non experienced, CHEAP corporate environment these days. Soon as you hit your 30s your days are already numbered in most places. Experience=expensive. And all that matters is the how the current financial quarter looks so your. payroll/expenses can’t look heavy. It kills many companies at the end of the day because a real transfer of knowledge can’t be done to the younger generation as companies would just assume kill all the more experienced vets to the streets as soon as possible to eliminate that excess payroll. Then you have a company with the blind leading the blind
Nobody care slams about skills or experience in most corporate environements anymore
It’s all about having a young, non experienced, CHEAP corporate environment these days. Soon as you hit your 30s your days are already numbered in most places. Experience=expensive. And all that matters is the how the current financial quarter looks so your. payroll/expenses can’t look heavy. It kills many companies at the end of the day because a real transfer of knowledge can’t be done to the younger generation as companies would just assume kill all the more experienced vets to the streets as soon as possible to eliminate that excess payroll. Then you have a company with the blind leading the blind
Nobody care slams about skills or experience in most corporate environements anymore
It’s all about having a young, non experienced, CHEAP corporate environment these days. Soon as you hit your 30s your days are already numbered in most places. Experience=expensive. And all that matters is the how the current financial quarter looks so your. payroll/expenses can’t look heavy. It kills many companies at the end of the day because a real transfer of knowledge can’t be done to the younger generation as companies would just assume kill all the more experienced vets to the streets as soon as possible to eliminate that excess payroll. Then you have a company with the blind leading the blind
Nobody care slams about skills or experience in most corporate environments anymore
Certainly I see this general trend, but as a 35 year old millenial hiring manager I'm also starting to see it push back the other way. I'm surrounded by 26 year old, and we've actually started to hire more 45-60 year olds to balance out the teams and bring in some wisdom and experience. That said, some of these older hires must be taking salary cuts........I can just tell by what we pay them vs. their resume. They are just trying to find a benefit paying job to hang onto for another 5 years until retirement.
To be clear, I've seen age discrimination go both ways and it sucks, but it is very real.
I've said it before, I'll say it again... "age discrimination" is applied to those who don't produce any more than a younger coworker, but who demand more pay for longevity. Do that, and you're begging to be let go. But when you have actual experience (and, no, "time on the job" doesn't count, that time needs to be spent learning things that others don't know); nobody gives a fig about your age, nor do they balk at paying.
For those who will inevitably disagree, please explain how/why you believe an employer is going to give up the actual value you present just because you have a few grey hairs. Why are they willing to give up hard, cold cash just to get rid of someone who's "too old"? If the claim is "Because they're a short-sighted idiot who doesn't know any better", why are they in business? Why don't you start a competing business and take all of the money from the fool? You have to explain this to have any validity at all. "But my feelings are hurt!" just doesn't count in the real world.
I've said it before, I'll say it again... "age discrimination" is applied to those who don't produce any more than a younger coworker, but who demand more pay for longevity. Do that, and you're begging to be let go. But when you have actual experience (and, no, "time on the job" doesn't count, that time needs to be spent learning things that others don't know); nobody gives a fig about your age, nor do they balk at paying.
For those who will inevitably disagree, please explain how/why you believe an employer is going to give up the actual value you present just because you have a few grey hairs. Why are they willing to give up hard, cold cash just to get rid of someone who's "too old"? If the claim is "Because they're a short-sighted idiot who doesn't know any better", why are they in business? Why don't you start a competing business and take all of the money from the fool? You have to explain this to have any validity at all. "But my feelings are hurt!" just doesn't count in the real world.
Because it's not a financial calculation. The belief that older = paid more for the same work is a red herring. Job classes pay within certain ranges for that job, regardless of age.
More often the older worker is more experienced/more knowledgeable than the manager. Age discrimination, like other forms of discrimination, is an emotionally driven action, not rational cost/benefit decision. You're trying to ascribe a rational justification to an emotional process.
Certainly I see this general trend, but as a 35 year old millenial hiring manager I'm also starting to see it push back the other way. I'm surrounded by 26 year old, and we've actually started to hire more 45-60 year olds to balance out the teams and bring in some wisdom and experience. That said, some of these older hires must be taking salary cuts........I can just tell by what we pay them vs. their resume. They are just trying to find a benefit paying job to hang onto for another 5 years until retirement.
To be clear, I've seen age discrimination go both ways and it sucks, but it is very real.
I know someone who works in a govt medical facility.
After being really burned by poor younger workers, manager actually said she was looking for people older than 40 for nursing jobs.
Why? Because they can do math in their heads. Younger people need to do it on their phones. She can't rely on people who aren't equipped to deal with emergency situations.
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Do your group healthcare premiums go up at future renewals if some of your members incur high (eg. age related) healthcare costs?
I know there have been some pretty big, serious claims around here, even knee replacements and yet no, our premiums actually went down slightly. Whether the organization is absorbing an increase I don't know. In my case the deduction per month from my pay is about $40 medical, $50 dental, $10 vision.
For my PPO plan ($1,800/year maximum out-of-pocket medical, $400 medications) their cost is about $800/month for each employee.
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Because it's not a financial calculation. The belief that older = paid more for the same work is a red herring. Job classes pay within certain ranges for that job, regardless of age.
More often the older worker is more experienced/more knowledgeable than the manager. Age discrimination, like other forms of discrimination, is an emotionally driven action, not rational cost/benefit decision. You're trying to ascribe a rational justification to an emotional process.
That's correct, and in our case experience is valued. In my group and others that we work with we have recently hired a lot of people due to retirements and people getting offers elsewhere. My hire is 28, but the other two in our department are probably in the 50s. In another department there were 3, I would say 2 in the 40s and one Senior manager pushing 60. Since we don't get age information, I have to guess based on appearance and experience. Salaries ranges are fixed for each position, our only flexibility is between starting and midpoint of the range. Naturally a more experienced hire is going to be closer to the midpoint so in many cases we are actually paying the older hires more, just as we are paying more to the older workers that have been here a long time.
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