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Old 08-03-2014, 06:47 AM
 
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Yeah, I don't get the argument for living wage. It will vary. If the critics think a living wage for a single person is $10/hr, e.g $20k per year. Should this worker be paid 6 figures for a family of 5 (herself plus 4), 5 x $20k = 100k?

What franchise owner can afford to pay a cashier $100k/yr in a low margin business like food? Does she get $140k, if she has 2 more kids and takes maternity leave on top of it?
I think common sense is in order. A franchise owner can afford to pay his employee 15 dollars per hour with health insurance and some holidays. I own fast food franchises. McDonalds is one of the most lucrative franchises to own. Even with higher wages and health insurance, you would still make a significant profit.

What people fail to realize is that who is going to buy your products if people are not making money? When the economy was at it's strongest in the late 1990's and early 2000's, people were not only employed but they were earning significantly higher wages. As a result, people spent a lot more money. When people spend, that will create jobs. However, who is going to buy your products if everyone is paid low wages and can't afford it.
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Old 08-03-2014, 07:18 AM
 
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I think common sense is in order. A franchise owner can afford to pay his employee 15 dollars per hour with health insurance and some holidays. I own fast food franchises. McDonalds is one of the most lucrative franchises to own. Even with higher wages and health insurance, you would still make a significant profit.

What people fail to realize is that who is going to buy your products if people are not making money? When the economy was at it's strongest in the late 1990's and early 2000's, people were not only employed but they were earning significantly higher wages. As a result, people spent a lot more money. When people spend, that will create jobs. However, who is going to buy your products if everyone is paid low wages and can't afford it.
Yes, common sense is in order. People keep saying she has 4 kids. A $15/hr isn't enough for a family of 5. Why do they bring that up?

The single mother of 4 started her McDonald's job in 2004. She didn't benefit from those significantly hire wages back then, either.

The minimum wage in the late 90's and early 2000's was lower, so employers were paying less. If you adjust the minimum wage for inflation, it's a wash. The early 2000's was a recession.

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Old 08-03-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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With 24 per week working people have plenty of time to look for a better jobs than this low life job Mc Donalds who is not taking care of it employees ..... There are some restaurants which serve better food making better pay if the food service is what you like some cooks serve $40 plates ............ I worked in a restaurant forty years ago making $3.50 per hour , so if you look at the increase in this field that is one dollar per hour every ten years to your $7.35
What I do not get why people say the employee is to blame and should look for another job if their job does not pay much. Somehow it is not okay to take a low wage but it is okay to pay your employees a lot. It seems we want to hold the employees responsible but not the employers. Why should they be allowed to pay people so little especially when the CEO's of these companies are making so much money.
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Old 08-03-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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What I do not get why people say the employee is to blame and should look for another job if their job does not pay much. Somehow it is not okay to take a low wage but it is okay to pay your employees a lot. It seems we want to hold the employees responsible but not the employers. Why should they be allowed to pay people so little especially when the CEO's of these companies are making so much money.
The supposed logic behind what you describe is that an owner/manager can decide to pay whatever they want since it's their business they own/manage, even if it is morally wrong to not pay their employees more when they can afford to do so.
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Old 08-03-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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Why people choose to have kids before they have a college degree and a living wage job is beyond me.
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Old 08-03-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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Why people choose to have kids before they have a college degree and a living wage job is beyond me.
College is not always the answer. It is not the only way to be a productive member.
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Old 08-03-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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A competent and productive member of society.
And we're obviously not talking about that type of person if they have 4 kids out of wedlock and are working at a minimum wage job.

And quite honestly, even lots of competent and productive people can't afford to have 4 kids. I'd venture to say most competent & productive people in this day and age know they can't have 4 kids and be able to do a good job.
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Old 08-03-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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The unions pick the 1968 minimum wage because it was the high water mark for its purchasing power, yet they try to pass it off as if it is the historical norm for purchasing power, when it wasn't. The current $7.25 minimum is somewhere in the middle of its historical range for purchasing power. But the effective minimum is much higher than $7.25 because a lot of states have higher minimums.

As others have said or implied, it's not 1968 any more. Those fighting for a $13 or $15 minimum wage may well find themselves replaced by machines.

Only if the middle class chooses to go along with it.
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Old 08-03-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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And we're obviously not talking about that type of person if they have 4 kids out of wedlock and are working at a minimum wage job.

And quite honestly, even lots of competent and productive people can't afford to have 4 kids. I'd venture to say most competent & productive people in this day and age know they can't have 4 kids and be able to do a good job.
Yes, most competent and productive people wait until they can afford to have kids in the first place and they have one or two since they understand how much it costs and want to be able to actually support their kids.
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Old 08-03-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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Yes, most competent and productive people wait until they can afford to have kids in the first place and they have one or two since they understand how much it costs and want to be able to actually support their kids.
There's nothing wrong with having 3 or 4 kids as long as you can afford it.
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