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Old 12-06-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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its indeed a bit more disturbing to an employee when the owner has hidden the direness of the companies mismanagement.

One company I worked for early on was family owned. THe Gent was 74 when he decided to call it a day. He truly was one of the few boss's I ever encountered that had a big heart for ALL his employees. He had monthly talks with each division and not once "sugar" coated the industries direction. He gradually let folks go and he often said He would do whatever he could to see they had another job lined up somewhere in our town. Can't find boss's like that in todays market.Guess he was a rare gem. He actually took it hard when he closed the doors.

You are a "number" in the corp world...you are a person in the small business world. There in lays the mindset difference when they give you the walking papers.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:04 PM
 
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Tis the season to be firing people.. sorry.. laying off people.. Another "Family Own" company just come in and told people to pack up and close up shop. No warning, notice or anything. So much for being a "Family Business". So what is worst? Getting laid off by a local so call family business or corp world? And if you knew your business was not going to make it in advance, why not say something then?
Family, of course -- which are overwhelmingly "small-time" so they literally can't afford any severance niceties (though many large corporations also don't offer any anyway, to be sure).

Also, with the family-owned places it feels more personal, as you've alluded to with your initial comment -- and indeed, usually the firing is over personal as opposed to business reasons (small business-people go on gut instinct" most of the time and thus are often "moody").

Now as for your last question, maybe s/he didn't want to create a panic, cause ill feelings (and sabotage, even -- people can be vindictive), with people slacking off ("what're you gonna do, fire me?")...and also, oftentimes s/he's just hoping against hope...WWII submarine commanders made it a point to enjoy a novel while under attack from depth-charges simply to create a sense of confidence in their men....
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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its indeed a bit more disturbing to an employee when the owner has hidden the direness of the companies mismanagement.

One company I worked for early on was family owned. THe Gent was 74 when he decided to call it a day. He truly was one of the few boss's I ever encountered that had a big heart for ALL his employees. He had monthly talks with each division and not once "sugar" coated the industries direction. He gradually let folks go and he often said He would do whatever he could to see they had another job lined up somewhere in our town. Can't find boss's like that in todays market.Guess he was a rare gem. He actually took it hard when he closed the doors.

You are a "number" in the corp world...you are a person in the small business world. There in lays the mindset difference when they give you the walking papers.
Right i had the same type person. Every holiday, we got a turky, and xmas got a 100 gift card to target.. he hated walmart. He did his best to let everybody know what is going on and each qt, he would post his finances. So everybody knows if they are making money or losing it. He got divorce and it was brutal. She wanted it all, so to keep it from happening, he sold it to his kid. He didnt want it and just shut it down soon as he sign the paper work. Worst thing to happen to such a great guy.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:16 PM
 
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He got divorce and it was brutal. She wanted it all, so to keep it from happening, he sold it to his kid. He didnt want it and just shut it down soon as he sign the paper work.
So how could the elder have known this would happen? I'm sure that was devastating. The son is an ***hole.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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Family, of course -- which are overwhelmingly "small-time" so they literally can't afford any severance niceties (though many large corporations also don't offer any anyway, to be sure).

Also, with the family-owned places it feels more personal, as you've alluded to with your initial comment -- and indeed, usually the firing is over personal as opposed to business reasons (small business-people go on gut instinct" most of the time and thus are often "moody").

Now as for your last question, maybe s/he didn't want to create a panic, cause ill feelings (and sabotage, even -- people can be vindictive), with people slacking off ("what're you gonna do, fire me?")...and also, oftentimes s/he's just hoping against hope...WWII submarine commanders made it a point to enjoy a novel while under attack from depth-charges simply to create a sense of confidence in their men....
Yea that is what i get from the news. Seems they just come in and close up.. and the corp least try to give you severance pay.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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But why is it always around the holiday season? seriously gets annoying as eff.. and makes your company look even worst..
I think it's 'cause they realize that Black Friday and Cyber-Monday didn't pan out and so they'd like to at least have a good holiday themselves -- cut their losses, IOW.

BTW, I happen to actually be in that very situation.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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It's not "Always" around the Holiday season. It may "Seem" like it, but many reports of closings are not always reported, it's cyclical on the economy and various factors.

And frankly, I really doubt they are concerned how they look shutting down. Many of the owners aren't happy with having to let people go, shut down a company they started by themselves and nurtured to only see it die. They're more depressed for having not succeeded....
And on that note, I'd like to note that it's not pleasant to work around desperate entrepreneurs...think of the bunker scenes from "Downfall"...!
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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Usually there are laws regarding this when a business is closing a facility or going out of business. When my husbands facility closed in MA there was a mandatory 60 day notice as well as other retraining and other benefits that applied, that do not apply in a regular lay off, OP have you checked the laws in your state for a situation like this?
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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Usually there are laws regarding this when a business is closing a facility or going out of business. When my husbands facility closed in MA there was a mandatory 60 day notice as well as other retraining and other benefits that applied, that do not apply in a regular lay off, OP have you checked the laws in your state for a situation like this?
How big was the facility? I believe if you have a certain number of employees this is true, because a mass layoff will consume government funds via unemployment payments.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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Here is one prime example of family business that closed up recently. 2 day notice..
Dixie Cafe closing for good | WREG.com

Excuse was declining sales and increase cost.. All the ones i been to were always packed and food was good. 35 years and closing it up.. But now? if they saw the sales were declining 6 months ago, should have done something then.. not during the holiday.. or much less let them work through the holiday and close up first of the year. They tick off alot of people doing this announcement.
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