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Old 12-06-2017, 01:41 PM
 
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I’ve been look around at different jobs in my field (medical assisting, nothing elite). So many employers in my area expect you to work an unpaid internship there, anywhere from 6 months to one year without paying you a cent! And if you’re “lucky” enough to get a job there after they pay a whole $8.15 an hour. Or you’re expected to work Saturdays for free ,oh, I’m sorry as a 10 hour “volunteer day”.

My husband works in a completely different field and he’s even being asked to work a extra 4 to 5 hours a week again unpaid. I’ve heard similar stories from friends and family, why is this suddenly seen as ok?
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:55 PM
 
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Don't like it? Don't work there.

Employment is a negotiated contract, if you're a bottom tier person who's easily replaced, then you have little negotiation room. Most don't even bother to TRY and negotiate though (maybe for pay, maybe). I got my wife to negotiate her current job, 3 days a week, full time benefits (though PTO is pre-rated to match hours worked), no call, etc... she's the only one with that kind of schedule in a department of about 20. She's also the only one to ask.... and has a higher education degree.

There's also a stunning number of people who don't understand the whole exempt/non-exempt employment arrangement. It's not a flat 40 hours for exempt, it's work until the work is completed, which should average out to 40 hours. I've fought tooth and nail to stay non-exempt at every position because I want to be paid for each hour spent working, and I have succeeded 100% of the time.

Bottom line though is that if you don't like the terms, ask for different terms or find somewhere else with terms that are agreeable. Obviously, no one will give you something for nothing. If you simply can't find someone else that offers agreeable terms, then work yourself. Expect 50~80 hours a week and often pay way lower than minimum wage for the first few years, but smart and persistent folk can grow that in ~5 years.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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Unpaid internships are nothing new.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:01 PM
 
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Don't like it? Don't work there.

Employment is a negotiated contract, if you're a bottom tier person who's easily replaced, then you have little negotiation room. Most don't even bother to TRY and negotiate though (maybe for pay, maybe). I got my wife to negotiate her current job, 3 days a week, full time benefits (though PTO is pre-rated to match hours worked), no call, etc... she's the only one with that kind of schedule in a department of about 20. She's also the only one to ask.... and has a higher education degree.

There's also a stunning number of people who don't understand the whole exempt/non-exempt employment arrangement. It's not a flat 40 hours for exempt, it's work until the work is completed, which should average out to 40 hours. I've fought tooth and nail to stay non-exempt at every position because I want to be paid for each hour spent working, and I have succeeded 100% of the time.

Bottom line though is that if you don't like the terms, ask for different terms or find somewhere else with terms that are agreeable. Obviously, no one will give you something for nothing. If you simply can't find someone else that offers agreeable terms, then work yourself. Expect 50~80 hours a week and often pay way lower than minimum wage for the first few years, but smart and persistent folk can grow that in ~5 years.
Trust me I’m not new to working. Some of these jobs are just getting to the point of ridiculous and refuse to compromise with anyone. Of course then they complain no one wants to work for them.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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Unpaid internships are nothing new.
Except an unpaid intern is supposed to be for the education of the intern and not provide advantages for the employer.

It isn’t supposed to be the free labor they’re demanding.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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Except an unpaid intern is supposed to be for the education of the intern and not provide advantages for the employer.

It isn’t supposed to be the free labor they’re demanding.
Would you not be learning? If you just got out of school for "medical assistant" according to you, you haven't learned anything in school as it relates to a real human body. Did you get your CNA?

You will be working on real, live patients, and they will be vetting you to see what kind of a person you are. Are you patient & caring? They want to see you in action.

When it comes to the health of a human being, I don't blame them.

You said yourself it's not an elite position. Why would you expect to get paid like a more schooled person would?
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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Would you not be learning? If you just got out of school for "medical assistant" according to you, you haven't learned anything in school as it relates to a real human body. Did you get your CNA?

You will be working on real, live patients, and they will be vetting you to see what kind of a person you are. Are you patient & caring? They want to see you in action.

When it comes to the health of a human being, I don't blame them.

You said yourself it's not an elite position. Why would you expect to get paid like a more schooled person would?


I graduated over 5 years ago and have been working since then. I have my CMA which is higher than a CNA.

I don’t think your quite grasping what I’m describing. These aren’t short internships for people that have just graduated, they’re want people with years of experience(2+ years some 5 +) to work for free for up to a year.

I expect to get paid more than minimum wage.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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Jobs where supply grossly exceeds demand are the kind where unpaid internships can happen.

The best plan is to go into a field where that is not the case.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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Jobs where supply grossly exceeds demand are the kind where unpaid internships can happen.

The best plan is to go into a field where that is not the case.
The funny part is that these same doctors are whining that no one wants to work for them. They can’t figure why no one will work for free.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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I graduated over 5 years ago and have been working since then. I have my CMA which is higher than a CNA.

I don’t think your quite grasping what I’m describing. These aren’t short internships for people that have just graduated, they’re want people with years of experience(2+ years some 5 +) to work for free for up to a year.

I expect to get paid more than minimum wage.
That does make a difference. Are you trying to get into a different field of work (like going from a cancer center to an ENT specialist)?
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