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Read the captions on this popular children's book from the 1970s. The boys reading this stuff are now the people doing the hiring. Some say it's biology? What about being told repeatedly that certain jobs aren't for you?
I'm female and have been in IT for 20 years. Yes, this field can be hostile to women...especially as it's being infiltrated more and more by people from what can only fairly be described as a more patriarchal culture than our own. Those cultural attitudes bleed over into our workplaces here and do us no favors.
Exactly what is patriarchal about the big, prominent tech companies embracing all of this transgender BS?
Most people don't expect women to go into engineering or the like... hence you were steered toward education. Call that sexism is you like... maybe it is. But it's also true that interest in tech is FAR more common among men... and so lazy people just assume that you're like the vast majority of women out there have zero interest in tinkering with their computer or their car.
In my life I have known precisely ONE female who would diagnose, take apart, modify, and reconfigure a computer just because she was interested in it. One. And I kid you not- she is now a he. I've never met ANY woman who would work on a car.
Whereas I've known easily dozens of males who will take apart, modify, repair etc. their computer. Or their car. Or house. Or the dishwasher. Not saying women can't do these things- I've no doubt that a few unicorns do. But they're rare. Women are rarely interested in mechanical/electronic tinkering.
That's a big part of why there are so few female engineers. It's why you were steered toward education. And I agree that the only way this will change is if women make the change. Thing is that I see feminists blaming men and demanding preferential treatment. I DON'T see feminists working on their own computers, cars, etc. And I saw very few of them in engineering.
How can you expect women to be equally represented in fields that they by and large aren't interested in?
This! Note that I am a woman that is interested in techy things, gaming etc. yet you just can't help but notice what was said above is by and large very true. I have built my own computer, even supped it up with lots of bells and whistles, do lots of researching etc. etc. but I have never met another woman that has.
Seriously, I'd like to see women making stuff like this:
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But I have yet to see it though I should say mine isn't near as cool as those.
For the women that are complaining about "not getting encouragement" for tech and stuff, why does it matter? I'd say for most men that are into tech now it probably started from when they were young and started experimenting by taking apart, building computers, learning how everything works etc. don't see why it could be any different for young girls. It is SO easy to get a book, watch tutorials online etc. to learn how to code, build, etc. Looking at the software side of things, if a woman/women have a good idea for a game or app or whatever why don't they just do what many young men have done, find out all the information you can and become self-taught and apply it to create what you want. Heck there are young teenagers that are already hackers and know how to hack very well.
There have been many indie video games that have came out after years of development by a few or just one man with no financial backing and have done very well. Young men that liked video games, had an idea of what could be a fun game and just taught themselves how to code and over the years put something together while working a day job. I don't believe women can't do the same if they truly wanted.
The newest big example is a game that came out called Cuphead:
It's had massive success but originally started by just two men 5 years ago and it got so bad they had to remortgage their homes to keep the project afloat but it paid off big time and now they're making bank.
As for the "but girls show an equal interest in STEM until they get older" I'd take that more as girls entering puberty and becoming generally a lot more interest in socialisation, and other girl things. I'm very introverted so I can stay home and play games, play around on my PC while not having contact with anyone for a long while, but I know most women would definitely not be happy with that.
I'm more interested in assembling towers that have maximum function as affordably as possible than making something that looks like it belongs on a JJ Abrams movie set, lol.
There are several video games I enjoy, and I understand that game design can be demanding, but it's not the most practical application of STEM skills, is it?
It like you're sort of equating geek cred with STEM professional cred.
Even if everything that you just said is true, it doesn't matter. You're expecting someone else to roll out a red carpet and initiatives that are only there so you and only people like yourself can hack it.
That isn't equality, but preferential treatment.
Utter and complete nonsense.
You just keep spouting it and ignore the actual data and evidence.
Women who code, were judged as better coders, even compared to their male counterparts, when those doing the judging did not know their gender. This was statistically significant.
Terrell, Josh, Andrew Kofink, Justin Middleton, Clarissa Rainear, Emerson Murphy-Hill, Chris Parnin, and Jon Stallings. "Gender differences and bias in open source: Pull request acceptance of women versus men." PeerJ Computer Science 3 (2017): e111.
We don't want preferential treatment, just to be treated similarly to our male counterparts. For example judge our work independently of our genders, as has been shown to not be happening.
For the women that are complaining about "not getting encouragement" for tech and stuff, why does it matter? I'd say for most men that are into tech now it probably started from when they were young and started experimenting by taking apart, building computers, learning how everything works etc. don't see why it could be any different for young girls. It is SO easy to get a book, watch tutorials online etc. to learn how to code, build, etc. Looking at the software side of things, if a woman/women have a good idea for a game or app or whatever why don't they just do what many young men have done, find out all the information you can and become self-taught and apply it to create what you want. Heck there are young teenagers that are already hackers and know how to hack very well.
Because the very act of being a woman means women's work in tech fields is going to be judged more harshly as evidenced in numerous studies, including this one were women's coding was judged worse if the evaluators knew they were women.
Terrell, Josh, Andrew Kofink, Justin Middleton, Clarissa Rainear, Emerson Murphy-Hill, Chris Parnin, and Jon Stallings. "Gender differences and bias in open source: Pull request acceptance of women versus men." PeerJ Computer Science 3 (2017): e111.
Yes, it's all milk and honey here on the penis side. Us business owners just sit around, and come up with new ways how we can make women's jobs all that more difficult.
Well on the penis side, you typically don't need to worry about being good at your job, solving business challenges and if someone is going to treat you like an idiot because you are a woman. 2/3 sounds like a perfectly reasonable work day for me.
I'll recount to you an experience over the past couple of months with a sexist co-worker. The net is, he can't survive if he is not the smartest person in the room. So he goes out of his way to exclude me from things. A couple of weeks ago he asked me a question over email (since it is widely known that I both useful knowledge and context about the business.). I gave him a recommendation based on my knowledge of business priorities and initiatives. After my evidence-based recommendation, he replied, in the email "I don't like that idea, never mind, I'll do it my way."
Today I am talking with the contractor who implemented it, he needed some clarifications on the project. I explained some context and it turned out my BFF did take my recommendation as is and relay it to the contractor - as it was the right business decision.
So why on earth would you shoot down my recommendation over email only to implement it as stated? That's both shady and a waste of time. Stuff like this happens to women all the time. At the end of the day, I am motivated by doing right for the business. Working with this useless guy has turned me into a petty person (specifically in dealing with him) because of his own nonsense. I'll reiterate, this recommendation has zero bearing on his ability to get promoted or execute on his duties. This guy is just petty enough to think the only valid decisions are the ones he makes.
For the women that are complaining about "not getting encouragement" for tech and stuff, why does it matter?
Well. "Encouragement" includes things like helping to fund one's hobbies and allowing time and space to do them, facilitating taking extracurriculars such as robotics, helping the kid go off to college to study in the field, giving interns chances to do real work, hiring people, granting promotions and pay raises...and on and on. It's not just about feeeeeelings. Although, let's be real, emotions, including feeling one is a good fit and well thought of, are major workplace considerations for the large majority of people regardless of gender.
Well on the penis side, you typically don't need to worry about being good at your job, solving business challenges and if someone is going to treat you like an idiot because you are a woman. 2/3 sounds like a perfectly reasonable work day for me.
I'll recount to you an experience over the past couple of months with a sexist co-worker. The net is, he can't survive if he is not the smartest person in the room. So he goes out of his way to exclude me from things. A couple of weeks ago he asked me a question over email (since it is widely known that I both useful knowledge and context about the business.). I gave him a recommendation based on my knowledge of business priorities and initiatives. After my evidence-based recommendation, he replied, in the email "I don't like that idea, never mind, I'll do it my way."
Today I am talking with the contractor who implemented it, he needed some clarifications on the project. I explained some context and it turned out my BFF did take my recommendation as is and relay it to the contractor - as it was the right business decision.
So why on earth would you shoot down my recommendation over email only to implement it as stated? That's both shady and a waste of time. Stuff like this happens to women all the time. At the end of the day, I am motivated by doing right for the business. Working with this useless guy has turned me into a petty person (specifically in dealing with him) because of his own nonsense. I'll reiterate, this recommendation has zero bearing on his ability to get promoted or execute on his duties. This guy is just petty enough to think the only valid decisions are the ones he makes.
Well. "Encouragement" includes things like helping to fund one's hobbies and allowing time and space to do them, facilitating taking extracurriculars such as robotics, helping the kid go off to college to study in the field, giving interns chances to do real work, hiring people, granting promotions and pay raises...and on and on. It's not just about feeeeeelings. Although, let's be real, emotions, including feeling one is a good fit and well thought of, are major workplace considerations for the large majority of people regardless of gender.
Yeah, that's all well and good. But plenty of well-known people that have had successful start-up companies, made successful games etc. didn't, probably even had parents that discouraged them from pursuing it seeing it as "dumb" "a waste of time" etc.
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