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Yes, it's all milk and honey here on the penis side. Us business owners just sit around, and come up with new ways how we can make women's jobs all that more difficult.
LOL, this right here is the heart of the issue. Some men can't stand to acknowledge that bias or sexism exists, because treating women fairly will cause many of the ones who aren't very good to lose out. The ones who fight the hardest against it are always the most mediocre at their jobs and without that edge over the females, they will slide further and further back in the pack and they know it.
Those who are truly good at what they do, hold the door open for those behind them, and are not remotely afraid of true equality. Meanwhile those who are barely good enough are always whinging about preferential treatment for others because they cannot face their own short comings. It isn't limited to sexism, the same old guys complain about young guys the who "threaten" their success as well. Same with regards to people of color, they complain about such and such groups "stealing their jobs". Those who are really good aren't afraid of others who are good either.
I'm more interested in assembling towers that have maximum function as affordably as possible than making something that looks like it belongs on a JJ Abrams movie set, lol.
There are several video games I enjoy, and I understand that game design can be demanding, but it's not the most practical application of STEM skills, is it?
It like you're sort of equating geek cred with STEM professional cred.
I'm just saying if women really want to do something they can do it themselves as many men have. That men are far more likely to "think outside the box" and create new and interesting concepts/designs and implement them.
I'm just saying if women really want to do something they can do it themselves as many men have. That men are far more likely to "think outside the box" and create new and interesting concepts/designs and implement them.
Once more.
Even if they write their own code, make their own games, they are not going to be judged to an equal standard.
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Originally Posted by jade408
Well on the penis side, you typically don't need to worry about being good at your job, solving business challenges and if someone is going to treat you like an idiot because you are a woman. 2/3 sounds like a perfectly reasonable work day for me.
I'll recount to you an experience over the past couple of months with a sexist co-worker. The net is, he can't survive if he is not the smartest person in the room. So he goes out of his way to exclude me from things. A couple of weeks ago he asked me a question over email (since it is widely known that I both useful knowledge and context about the business.). I gave him a recommendation based on my knowledge of business priorities and initiatives. After my evidence-based recommendation, he replied, in the email "I don't like that idea, never mind, I'll do it my way."
Today I am talking with the contractor who implemented it, he needed some clarifications on the project. I explained some context and it turned out my BFF did take my recommendation as is and relay it to the contractor - as it was the right business decision.
So why on earth would you shoot down my recommendation over email only to implement it as stated? That's both shady and a waste of time. Stuff like this happens to women all the time. At the end of the day, I am motivated by doing right for the business. Working with this useless guy has turned me into a petty person (specifically in dealing with him) because of his own nonsense. I'll reiterate, this recommendation has zero bearing on his ability to get promoted or execute on his duties. This guy is just petty enough to think the only valid decisions are the ones he makes.
I don't have to worry about being good at my job? I'm only responsible for two plus dozen families. I think that you're very smart, self-aware, and sincere--it comes through in your posts, but let's not get into a ridiculous territory please.
As far as your co-worker goes, there are people like him all over the place. Everyone has to deal with a person like that, men and women. One of the biggest qualities I look for in my management team is someone who's able to deal with all kinds of people, good and bad.
LOL whatever. If women make something really fun to play or do people will eat it up all the same. As a gamer some games that have made tremendous success:
Undertale
PlayerUnknown BattleGround's
Cuphead
Binding of Issac
Hollow Knight
Just to name a few. All made by either one man or a small few. If they came out but were made by women pretty sure they'd still be massive success'.
LOL whatever. If women make something really fun to play or do people will eat it up all the same. As a gamer some games that have made tremendous success:
Undertale
PlayerUnknown BattleGround's
Cuphead
Binding of Issac
Hollow Knight
Just to name a few. All made by either one man or a small few. If they came out but were made by women pretty sure they'd still be massive success'.
Ah, another person who claims to be a tech expert (based on playing video games no less) and yet discounts peer reviewed research.
Uhm, no. Many, many of us welcome input from others. STEM is inherently collegial, and that involves valuing quality input regardless of who it came from.
Ah, another person who claims to be a tech expert (based on playing video games no less) and yet discounts peer reviewed research.
I've never said I was a tech expert. But say a new fun innovative game comes out with addicting gameplay, you honestly believe people will try it out, have fun, then see it was created by a woman/women and be like "Wow, this was made by girls, this is trash!" Give me a break.
I'm just saying if women really want to do something they can do it themselves as many men have. That men are far more likely to "think outside the box" and create new and interesting concepts/designs and implement them.
New and interesting decorative light-up boxes?
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Originally Posted by este914
LOL whatever. If women make something really fun to play or do people will eat it up all the same. As a gamer some games that have made tremendous success:
Undertale
PlayerUnknown BattleGround's
Cuphead
Binding of Issac
Hollow Knight
Just to name a few. All made by either one man or a small few. If they came out but were made by women pretty sure they'd still be massive success'.
None of these games are innovative technologically. Some of them are clever in terms of gameplay, story and mechanics. But it's a pretty soft application of the tech.
There are several video games I enjoy, and I understand that game design can be demanding, but it's not the most practical application of STEM skills, is it?
It like you're sort of equating geek cred with STEM professional cred.
You seem to think that games are only for geeks to develop, and STEM professionals should be involved in other in your opinion important things.
What you are failing to realize, that there is a market for both. If one is looking for a job, they have to consider that some employers will be looking for people to develop things other than what you think are important. You have to realize that some employers, have different needs than others. Someone with the ability can do the job in any STEM field, with the right education behind them.
I recently read of an 11 year old girl, that developed an APP for cell phones that no one else had even thought of. She had someone that she was close to, that sold it to a big tech company for her. Just think because some 11 year old thought up something that was out of the mainstream, she starts her teen years, already having earned $35,000,000 from her idea. Yes Thirty Five Million. She apparently came from a STEM family, that had been teaching her coding from a young age. She on her own developed the APP, and has not even been to college yet.
This proves that girls and women can do good in STEM professions. But they have to think outside the box sometimes.
And as far as people being promoted, it depends on their abilities not only to do the job as one of the workers, but also supervision abilities. Over the years, I saw a lot of people complain they had never been promoted in my employment field, but just because they had worked on the job for a period of time, did not mean they were qualified to manage people.
In the 1950s, and early 60s, I was living in the Silicon Valley. I got to know two men. One had not gone to college, but in the 1930s, he was developing rockets but the military would not buy them as the old artillery officers, did not believe in anything that was not shot out of a barrel. He put together a major rocket production company and was CEO. Some money men through getting control of the company by buying up stock and getting proxies took over and fired him because he did not have a college education. The company was never the same after that. He applied for jobs right and left and no one would hire him in his field due to lack of a college degree. He was getting desperate for a job, as his wife was dead and he had a young daughter to support.
They were building a major rocket plant for a new weapon system, that still exists today with upgrades over the years. They advertised or rocket technicians. He applied, and when the HR person read his application they made a phone call, and put him in a room, and told him to wait to see an executive. After 2 1/2 hours at 5 p.m. he was just walking out of the room and leaving when 2 of the top V.P.s of the parent company walked in that were long time friends. They apologized for taking so long, but they had been in an important meeting in San Francisco. They took him out to dinner. He soon realized they were wining and dining him, and wanted him for something important. He made a glass of wine last all evening to keep his wit's about him. He ended up by the time the night was over, as the Head of that particular project, and plant manager. I met him months after this, and he told me his story.
It so happened the man that had been temporary head of the department, lived across the street from me. He was now #2. I asked him about it one day, and he told me that he was brought in and introduced to the team, and his permanent position, and let my neighbor know he was now permanent #2 in the plant. He was so angry that they put someone that had not even been to college over him he was ready to quit. The first thing he did, was ask if they had any major problem they needed solved. They told him there was one, and they could not figure out the problem. He asked for a copy of the blue prints, and started going through them page by page. Suddenly he stopped, and told them here is the problem. This part need changed to this one. They looked and knew he was right.
He said suddenly he was not going to quit, but wait and see how smart this guy was. After a few weeks, he was told to be ready to travel, as they were flying to Washington DC the next day. They took a really early flight, and after landing went to the Pentagon. They went to a reception desk, and asked to see a certain very high ranking Admiral. As they did not have an appointment, they were told it would take weeks to get one. The plant head, told them to call the Admirals office and tell them who wanted to see him. Was that receptionist shocked when told to have an escort take them to his office. My neighbor said the Admiral was waiting in the hall for them, to greet them personally. The plant head told him he wanted to jump the project up a couple of generations and make a much better weapon. By the next day instead of taking months to get a change, it had been approved and order change from the old to the new. They flew home that evening.
He said at that point he knew why the other man was the manager, and he was #2. He did not have anywhere near the knowledge, and clout to get orders changed in a day instead of months to a year as is normal. He knew when his boss retired, he would be the new top man, and in addition he would become one of the top rocket engineers in the nation.
This is a good example, it is not who has been there a long time on the job, or your education that often gets you promoted. Promotion depends on your real ability to do the job. A lot of people on these threads seem to think they should be promoted just because they have been working for the company for a period of time. They get angry when someone without a lot of time on the job gets promoted. They do not understand everyone is not going to be promoted, and the ones that are promoted are promoted for reasons that the other people do not understand. There is a lot of difference from managing a department than working in it. There are many other duties, etc., than being able to do the job.
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