Workplace inequality changing not improving

[vision33r]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

IIRC, isn't the OP actually south Asian?

I am not.. It doesn't matter because there are South Asians that agrees with me... People who are talented and skilled aren't getting the opportunities while people who are less qualified gets them through affirmative action.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by vision33r

I am not.. It doesn't matter because there are South Asians that agrees with me... People who are talented and skilled aren't getting the opportunities while people who are less qualified gets them through affirmative action.

My bad, I thought I remembered you saying you were.

[charlygal]

Originally Posted by vision33r

I am not.. It doesn't matter because there are South Asians that agrees with me... People who are talented and skilled aren't getting the opportunities while people who are less qualified gets them through affirmative action.

What criteria are you using to determine who is less talented?Have you seen all of the resumes? Do you know who is being rejected? Are people being critical because of old ideas and perceptions?

I've worked many years and I've seen a ton of untalented white people. There are threads started here on CD everyday about bad managers and coworkers. Surely, all the allegedly poor workers and managers in the world are not all people of color or women.

What you're saying is that NO person of color or women can be talented. That's simply not true.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by Left-handed

Welp, that's embarrassing.

Only if I think it is, which I don't.

Originally Posted by charlygal

Our personal stats are similar. Are you saying management is making a conscious decision to not hire white people? Or is there just a decision to hire contractors and the bulk of the employment agency has contractors from Asia? Do you believe you would walk into an interview and be rejected just because you aren't Asian?

I've seen the following scenario happen on IT teams...I've been a part of some of them, an observer of others.

• Manager is not south Asian...could be either gender and any other race/nationality
• The team they manage is relatively diverse....about 50% south Asian and 50% everything else
• Old manager leaves/is promoted and is replaced by a south Asian manager (almost always male and younger than 40)
• Every single hire under the new manager is south Asian, usually from the same country and even the same region/state of that country, usually male, and usually under 35
• Team goes 90% south Asian in less than a year through turnover
• Non-south Asians find themselves shut out of the decision making process for pretty much everything (process, products, standards, etc.)
• The dominant language of the workplace changes from English to Hindi, Tamil, or Telugu, alienating people who don't speak those languages
• Said non-south Asians leave the team for greener pastures and are always replaced by more south Asians
• Team eventually is 100% south Asian, perpetuating the stereotype that there's a skills gap

Rinse and repeat.


I have been interviewed in person & on the phone in situations where it was obvious that I was a "diversity" candidate or that I was being railroaded into appearing "unqualified" by being asked questions that bore no relevance to the position and that people who have been doing this for 20 years would likely have to consult reference materials to answer.


I know that a lot of companies here have relationships with body shop contracting firms whose workforce is almost 100% H1B...and those are the only resumes a hiring manager receives. As you know, many companies do not advertise open positions on Indeed/Dice/LinkedIn/etc...or resumes received via those channels are ignored. I've personally referred people with far more suitable backgrounds for jobs that went to far less qualified individuals...I can only assume because said less qualified individuals had the correct surname or caste.


Discrimination on the basis of age, gender, and national origin is endemic in I.T. All you have to do is open your eyes.

[NickL28]

Originally Posted by vision33r

I am not.. It doesn't matter because there are South Asians that agrees with me... People who are talented and skilled aren't getting the opportunities while people who are less qualified gets them through affirmative action.

I think the only places this is the case is in the public sector and in retail. In finance, IT, and the trades not so much to put it lightly

[vision33r]

Originally Posted by NickL28

I think the only places this is the case is in the public sector and in retail. In finance, IT, and the trades not so much to put it lightly

This is somewhat true, in the private sector it takes one or few whistleblower for the firm to be fined for not having diversity. My colleague was joking that a certain race and gender combo is the unicorn in IT, almost all tech firms are looking for this particular race/gender person to check off their checkboxes. Including places like Uber and Apple.

Originally Posted by charlygal

What criteria are you using to determine who is less talented?Have you seen all of the resumes? Do you know who is being rejected? Are people being critical because of old ideas and perceptions?

I've worked many years and I've seen a ton of untalented white people. There are threads started here on CD everyday about bad managers and coworkers. Surely, all the allegedly poor workers and managers in the world are not all people of color or women.

What you're saying is that NO person of color or women can be talented. That's simply not true.

All I'm saying is that today the privileged groups have changed, those older privileged groups still keep their titles but they must now work alongside newer established privileged groups in order to comply with public opinion/perception.