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It's different here then. I have 2 friends both with the same amount of experience in similar schools in the same area... one makes a lot more b/c she's a better teacher. She also takes advantage or professional development and things like that that boost her salary but she is an overall better teacher and she is compensated better as a result.
Performance based pay is a great concept, just not all it’s cracked up to be. In Florida, for example, a great teacher can make about $1k more a year.
The problem with performance based pay, is unlike different industries, teachers are working with external factors they can’t control. I don’t get to choose my students and I don’t get to take them home with me.
I can’t control their DNA and what damage has been inflicted upon them. I see growth, but sometimes that growth isn’t measurable. It might be that the kid stopped throwing chairs at me. Or they finally opened their book. Or they made an effort to work in some math. Or they only cussed me out once this week instead of multiple times a day.
Tutoring, adjunct professor if you can... there are ways to make money on the side in addition to your full-time job.
I agree that is bettering the situation but if you can't get the money you want even with all that, something isn't right.
So, I can take another job, to boost my income. Then my full time job will suffer a little bit, or my private life.
Choices. Professional life or personal life. Where is that balance?
Agreed. I have to question the judgment of someone who thinks it's ok to post about their salary on FB. Just b/c teachers salaries are public information, it's a terrible idea to post about it on facebook.
Have an issue, take it up with your principal or superintendent. FB isn't the place for it.
That teacher was in the wrong.
I’ll disagree with you. You go to the principal or super and your issue stops right there. You go to social media and it opens up the whole world to hear your voice.
I mean, if that teacher went to your suggestions, we’d not be discussing their voice on city data.
I had to stop reading because I didn’t want to waste a whole day. I’ll preface this whole thing with the knowledge that I am a teacher. Finishing my 12th year. I hold a masters degree plus enough credits post graduate to hold either a specialist or most of a doctorate. I’m as far over on the pay scale as I can be. I will be moving to another district next school year, to a more affordable location. Major disadvantage is that I can only transfer three years experience. Part of life. I’m leaving my current district simply because of medical concerns for a family member. Though not getting a pay raise in the last three years did contribute slightly.
I know there is no way to pay teachers what we think we are worth. Sure we aren’t in production line of work. We are in the shaping and molding of society line of work. Sure we work extra hours, but that’s part of the job. As a veteran teacher, I’ve learned that the benefits aren’t what they used to be. Matter of fact, my retirement will be so bad, I doubt I will be able to retire. Of course, I’ve considered leaving the profession, but life isn’t all about money. Sure the summer off is nice, but it isn’t a 8 week long vacation like everyone thinks. I don’t spend the whole break making lesson plans either. I use my breaks to catch on chores and family time.
I don’t think I’d use social media to bring attention to my pay, but I’m not going to bash a teacher for doing that. Problem with educTion is you got people with no idea how the system is, trying to change it. People are using old data to claim our benefits are amazing. They ain’t. Matter of fact, I’ve seen my insurance cost rise substantially over the last five years.
I left a low paying state for a higher paying state. Cost of living has risen, but so has my earning. I’ve done what I can to maximize my pay. I’m paying for that decision with insane amounts of student loan debt (took out what was needed to support my family to pay for that degree) and if my life revolved around money, I’d have chosen a different career. However, I chose to make a difference, and hopefully be that positive male role model that many of our youth do not have. I’ve taught elementary, middle, and high school.
High school teachers should not get more than an elementary teacher. I’m currently doing special education, simply because I’m good at teaching those types of students. I’d love to receive more compensation for my work, however I’m not leaving my profession to pursue money.
How much does a high school teacher earn in a public school?
Depends on the school district, typically a high school earns the same amount as an elementary teacher, who earns the same amount as a middle school teacher.
High School teachers have opportunities that elementary teachers don’t have to make extra money through club sponsorship/coaching.
Most of the complaints I see from teachers are literally the same issues every true profession deals with.
Teachers will often say they have to buy supplies. Many companies in the private sector also cut back on little miscellaneous items like that. I’ve worked for several large companies that cut out paying for professional license fees. That’s $200. That’s a lot of crayons.
I have to do Minimum of 40 hours of continuing education every year to maintain a license. And that’s just to maintain it. Often it’s way beyond that to actually maintain competency and to remain current. Yet, in the op and in this thread I see teachers saying about all the certificates and trainings they do on top of their job. Welcome to being a professional.
Answering after hours calls/emails for parents ...I guarantee other professionals in IT, law, engineering, do the same thing. Professions don’t start and end at a certain time. You aren’t paid for your time. You’re paid to complete a job.
When teachers bring these things up, the General consensus from any other professional would be “annnnnd????”
Are you able to write off things you buy with your personal $$ as a tax write-off? I work for a small co. I have to also buy my own supplies. I CANNOT write these things off as tax expenses nor does my co re-emburse me for them.
If you were bored teaching you probably weren't doing a very good job. I applaud you for recognizing that and leaving the field. Being able to enrich student learning while meeting individual student needs takes a lot of work and planning. My students love school and I love that the love it. I have never been able to say I've been bored.
Teaching was not for me. I found it boring & really tbh not challenging enough.
The benefits were sweet. The pension, the job security for life (after tenure) was sweet...
I just wasnt happy doing it. I didnt feel excited or challenged to come to work everyday.
I didnt teach on LI. The $$ wasnt great but i wasnt there for the $$.
Everything else a teacher gets is amazing.
So again it isnt about the $$.
My state is an at-will employment state. I can be fired @ any time for any reason. After a teacher gets tenure it’s extremely hard to fire them... but teaching is such a bad gig though right?
All I am saying is that instead of teachers complaining they arent being paid enough, just realise how sweet the profession does have it... b/c the benefits, pensions, summers off, tenure etc etc is dope.
But teachers wont acknowledge that... they only focus on the lousy pay
Performance based pay is a great concept, just not all it’s cracked up to be. In Florida, for example, a great teacher can make about $1k more a year.
The problem with performance based pay, is unlike different industries, teachers are working with external factors they can’t control. I don’t get to choose my students and I don’t get to take them home with me.
I can’t control their DNA and what damage has been inflicted upon them. I see growth, but sometimes that growth isn’t measurable. It might be that the kid stopped throwing chairs at me. Or they finally opened their book. Or they made an effort to work in some math. Or they only cussed me out once this week instead of multiple times a day.
Fair point but i also deal with things i cant control. I dont get to choose my clients...
Fair point but i also deal with things i cant control. I dont get to choose my clients...
What type of clients do you have? What service do you provide and on what is your pay based?
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