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I did not know that bipolar equates screaming & yelling at people.
It doesn't... people really need to educate themselves on mental illness, before claiming they know anything about these issues. I personally suffer from OCD, and get sick of the ignorance surrounding this disorder - no, I don't wash my hands constantly, I don't check locks 50 times, and you wouldn't know I was OCD unless I told you. It's not always like you see on TV/movies, and can often be managed to the point of appearing "normal" (whatever that means). It also varies from person to person, and doesn't always manifest itself in the same behaviors. Some people with bipolar disease might rage, but not everyone who has it will.
That being said, I do agree it's a personal responsibility to manage these disorders. Certain behaviors should never be tolerated in the work place, regardless of their mental state... and if somebody can't control their rage, they probably shouldn't be in a customer-related position.
I think it is weird that so many people choose to label themselves some made up "disease." So many people on this thread have said, "I'm bipolar," as if that is their identity. If you ARE bipolar, if that's WHO you ARE . . . that is kind of mind-boggling. I think it would be much more useful to say, "I am a complex human being with many talents and traits and sometimes my moods are extreme" or something.
But to be proud and say, "I am bipolar," is like saying, "I'm gay and I'm proud." I don't understand the desire to identify with a so-called "disease."
Do people who indentify as "bipolar" want their headstones to read: "S/he was the most awesome bipolar" in the world." I mean it is beyond ridiculous.
If you have uncontrollable anti-social behavior that causes you to yell and scream in public, do you really think you should be out in public? It's almost like saying if you have the flu and are vomiting, you should have the right to go to work and vomit wherever you want . . . no, you have no right to do that, and you have no right to scream and yell at people in public either. God. When did people get so mixed up about what's acceptable and unacceptable behavior?
This just reeks of "ENTITLEMENT." The belief that you have the right to do anything you want and that if you don't get to do what you want at all times, you will sue and make people suffer.
I think it is weird that so many people choose to label themselves some made up "disease." So many people on this thread have said, "I'm bipolar," as if that is their identity. If you ARE bipolar, if that's WHO you ARE . . . that is kind of mind-boggling. I think it would be much more useful to say, "I am a complex human being with many talents and traits and sometimes my moods are extreme" or something.
So let me get this straight... you think mental illnesses are "made up?" I guess all of those doctors and scientists are quacks, right? You must be related to TKramar, LOL. I agree one shouldn't define themselves by a disease, but only a truly obtuse person would believe these psychological conditions are fake.
P.S. I am of course referring to people diagnosed with mental illness, not those who think an occasional mood swing makes them bipolar.
You do understand that diseases are a construct, don't you? In terms of the DSM these maladies have certain criteria . . . a list of symptoms . . . if you have "x" amount of symptoms then you have the disorder . . .the disorders were arbitrarily thought of - someone said, "x" = bipolar. There is no scientific measurement for any of the disorders or diseases in the DSM . . .if you are truly into science, you would understand that these disorders and diseases are thought constructs.
The major problem is that you don't know when they are on their meds and when they're off. These people are unpredictable and that can be dangerous if that person is a boss or higher up. I just left a job of 8 months where I suspected the director was seriously bipolar. Her "mood swings" were very extreme, sudden and without cause. Several times she was on the verge of striking someone or throwing an object. At that point, the police can be involved. In fact, I was fearful of this person. I resigned specifically when I knew she would not be in the office.Naturally,I gave no notice and just resigned on the spot with a boilerplate resignation letter which does not state my reason for leaving. Of course I cannot use this woman as my reference, and she was my supervisor. Because of this woman, the company has a very high turnover rate. In the 8 months I was employed there, someone would get fired or quit every 2 weeks; I was keeping track. Now do you think this person should be a "protected class?" So if she hits or slaps a worker, she should be excused in court because she has a "disability?" So if that person needs stitches and time off from work that's ok because she's "disabled"? Should this person be allowed to run a company?
I mean to say if the worker who was struck in the head by the bipolar boss needs stitches and time off, the boss should be excused because she is "disabled?"
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The major problem is that you don't know when they are on their meds and when they're off. These people are unpredictable and that can be dangerous if that person is a boss or higher up. I just left a job of 8 months where I suspected the director was seriously bipolar. Her "mood swings" were very extreme, sudden and without cause. Several times she was on the verge of striking someone or throwing an object. At that point, the police can be involved. In fact, I was fearful of this person. I resigned specifically when I knew she would not be in the office.Naturally,I gave no notice and just resigned on the spot with a boilerplate resignation letter which does not state my reason for leaving. Of course I cannot use this woman as my reference, and she was my supervisor. Because of this woman, the company has a very high turnover rate. In the 8 months I was employed there, someone would get fired or quit every 2 weeks; I was keeping track. Now do you think this person should be a "protected class?" So if she hits or slaps a worker, she should be excused in court because she has a "disability?" So if that person needs stitches and time off from work that's ok because she's "disabled"? Should this person be allowed to run a company?
The key thing is reasonable accommodations ... If the person with the disability is unable to form their job properly with reasonable accommodation then they are not protected by the ADA. A disability does not give someone an excuse to be abusive to colleagues and employees underneath them. The company should have dealt with this supervisor along time ago and no, that would not constitute discrimination. Sorry you had to be mixed up in all that.
It would be unreasonable for company to be forced to retain an employee who is a danger to themselves and to others. Also, it is unreasonable for an employer to be forced to retain an employee who is rude or obnoxious to their clients or who is unable to properly perform their job even with accommodations.
Having personally experienced working with a person who was bipolar, I don't believe that people who have serious psychiatric illnesses should be working and definitely not running companies. They should be on disability and at home. Maybe put them to work at home on the computer; like another poster said they are anti-social. They also make sane people go crazy. I don't care if they are a protected class and don't care about their "rights." They violate the rights of other people and not even blink. They are a danger to society if they are severe and are put with normal people. Nobody wants to work with an abusive, nasty screamer. One day she is smiling and happy, the next day she comes in and fires people for no reason or start destroying her office. They are often also delusional and paranoid. They see faults and are offended by things that they misperceive. It's pure hell to work with these people.
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I agree one shouldn't define themselves by a disease, but only a truly obtuse person would believe these psychological conditions are fake.
