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It also depends on what you define as "Italian"...as i said a few days ago i simply dont buy current day Italian-Americans even remotely connected to the motherland, the generations for the most part are so far removed, i've been to Italy, i live in a city (Melbourne) where Italians are hugely populated and the majority here actually speak it...yet when i went to NY i thought to myself what the hell is this...i was exposed to the type of mainstream Italian you see in movies or in tv shows like everybody loves raymond...the link is so minor and comes across as a fake plastic imatation of the real thing...you often hear italian american culture defined as "family togetherness" and that type of stuff...but thats not really Italian, thats Italian and many other cultures as well.
the majority of argentinians are of spanish ancestry , those of italian origin are second , like with the english in america , the spanish ( founding fathers ) are not counted in argentina when it comes to immigrant backround
to answer the op
my guess would be newark
I believe that more Argentinians are of Italian than Spanish descent (but it's close). The Italians arrived much later. I read somewhere that a hybrid Spanish/Italian language existed in Argentina for a while. Maybe someone could confirm this?
Still exists, Lunfardo.
No, the big mass of Italians arrived earlier than the big mass of Spanish.
Some Argentinian told me that Italians there were Northeners, that's why there's no Italian mafia just like in the US.
Still exists, Lunfardo.
No, the big mass of Italians arrived earlier than the big mass of Spanish.
Some Argentinian told me that Italians there were Northeners, that's why there's no Italian mafia just like in the US.
You mean there is no mafia inn the USA or there is. Argentina's Italian population is not really north. It is made up of people mostly from the region of Abruzzo which is considered southern Italy. There are fewer Neopolitans, Calabrese and Sicilians in Argentina but the tue northern Italians do not immigrate very often. However almost all regions of Central and Southern Italy have organized crime organizations. For years they have also operated in Northern areas.
Today Sicily has two different organizations: the older, Cosa Nostra that operates mostly out of Palermo and controls the western part of the Island and the newer, 5th mafia, La Stidda which has its headquatrers in Catania and operates in the eastern half of the Island.
In Campania there is the Neapolitan mafia La Camorra which is the largest mafia in Italy and has more than 200 affiliates in the Americas mostly in the USA. It's scope of activities is much larger than the Sicilian groups.
The third large group is in Calabria called the 'Ndrangheta that operates mostly in Europe (they control about 85% of the European cocaine market. They have a token representation in the US. For the past 20 years it has been controlled by the women of the region ever since the male leaders were imprisoned. Strangely they are the bloodiest bunch. So much for the weaker sex.
After that are newer local groups: Basilichi in Potenza, Sacra Corona Unita in Puglia, Mala del Brenta, a very large group that controls Veneto all of the North into the former Yugoslavia as well as Malta.
The truth is a very small percentage of the Italian and Sicilian population are criminals and these organizations do not help the local people if any thing the people in the areas under criminal control are their biggest victims.
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