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Old 11-02-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Exactly. Why would the Russians that live in the Eastern part and who are the majority of population, would want to split from the Russians living in Western part of the country?
The OP seemed to think that most of the population in Asiatic Russia are ethnic Asians, or indigenous people.

For example Omsk Oblast: 86% Russian, 4% Kazakh, 2.5% Ukrainian, 2.5% German, 2.2% Tatar...

I quote myself:
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95% of those Siberians are Russians and other Slavic peoples.

For example, the Khanty-Mansi autonomous okrug has 1.5 million people. 30,000 of these are either Khanty or Mansi. A million of these are Russian. You think it's fair to give away this region to a tiny group of 30k people? Even Belarussians outnumber the indigenous peoples of that okrug. It's like giving Finland to Turkey.
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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The OP seemed to think that most of the population in Asiatic Russia are ethnic Asians, or indigenous people.

For example Omsk Oblast: 86% Russian, 4% Kazakh, 2.5% Ukrainian, 2.5% German, 2.2% Tatar...

I quote myself:
When Russia says A its Z, they are famous for bending the truth/making up numbers.
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Old 11-02-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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that's what i'm saying. I cannot think of any nations in the last 50 years that have united.
2 examples within the last 50 years:

East and West Germany,

North and South Vietnam
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Old 11-02-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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When Russia says A its Z, they are famous for bending the truth/making up numbers.

If you don't believe it, go to Siberia, check the numbers out yourself.
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Old 11-02-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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2 examples within the last 50 years:

East and West Germany,

North and South Vietnam
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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Why is it that people from NATO countries think that Russia is just too big, and should split up?
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Why is it that people from NATO countries think that Russia is just too big, and should split up?
Why is it that people from Russia thinks NATO and the US is a natural enemy?
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:13 PM
 
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Why is it that people from Russia thinks NATO and the US is a natural enemy?
You really need to ask this?

- About everything the West has done towards Russia has been done with the intention on undermining Russia's ability to not only project power, but to provide for itself its own national security.

- It is a well known fact that immediately after the USSR broke apart, many US policy makers, including Cheney, wished for the Russian SSR to break apart as well; this little thing echoes loudly within the halls of the Russian national security policy.

- The US/West has basically made it a mission to surround Russia with airbases and US/Western friendly governments. The US will even feed China anything it wants just to strengthen China against Russia, forcing Russia to expend security resources on its China border.

- Libya was the critical turning point in US-Russian relations, Russia pretty much understood that the US/West has absolutely no regard for Russia's security concerns. This is why Russia to the position it did with Assad, and rightfully so, I wish Russia would take it a step further and send troops in to support Assad, but Russia really does not care for Assad either, other than keeping the Islamic radicals at bay, buying weapons from Russia, and having a port there.

- Russia had to take action to curb the NGO's, in which many were doing nothing but trying to undermine the Russian government. Given the second and third largest political parties are the communists and nationalists, you would think the US/West is just purposely trying to screw Russia up; why in the heck the effort to undermine the only rational political party in Russia? All the while supporting a dictator in Saudi Arabia?

I could go on and on, and you and I have been through this before. But really, it is the US/West who is deploying troops, aircraft, and ships around Russia, not the other way around. The US alone has how many troops stationed around Russia? How many airbases? The recent Ukrainian events were the line in the sand for Russia, a blowback I am sure the US/West did not anticipate.

That does not at all excuse many of Russia's actions either, as I disagree with many of them.

I just really think there are elements within the US gov community (and Russia) who cannot let go of the Cold War past, they want it to continue on, it is all they know.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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Why is it that people from NATO countries think that Russia is just too big, and should split up?
Aside from ideological reasons, it is all about resources. Russia along with central Asia, contain a lot of resources, one in which the US/West want. The US/West either want a puppet government, or Russia to break apart so it can deal with several, weak states to install puppets.

On another front; Russia is really the only country in the world that can feasibly challenge the US globally in regards to military conflict (maybe not at the moment, but easily has the potential and the technology), the US does not like that. So the US and its Western partners, want Russia to be removed from that ability, and the only way to do that is to break it apart, or have a puppet government.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Coldwind Farm
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Should Russia split already?
No. Only some North Caucasian provinces (Dagestan for instance) can to pretend for independence. But other parts of Russia have mostly Russian population, so I don't understand why should they to separate from Russia.

And why Russia? There are many other countries in the world that have more serious territorial troubles than Russia.

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I said it before...

Move all the Russians to the west of the Ural mountains.
Man, you have too many silly thoughts, visit a doctor please.
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