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Old 12-13-2015, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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Balkans is not the Western World.
Does that mean that Greece is also not part of the Western World?

That would be ironic, considering that Greece is the birth place of democracy and rational philosophy, and Greek was the language used by early Christians to write the Gospels...
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Brazil
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All these penalties - such as the death penalty, imprisonment and numerous disrespects for the freedom of belief and faith, were reality in Christian countries until very recently.
When politics and religion mix the reaction is always explosive, regardless of religion, whatever it is. The still existing violence in Islamic countries is due to mixing of religion with politics. The result was no less disastrous in the West when religion and politics were also mixed.
The goal of these countries should be a separation of religion and state, not the criticism of the religion. This will never lead to anything.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Does that mean that Greece is also not part of the Western World?

That would be ironic, considering that Greece is the birth place of democracy and rational philosophy, and Greek was the language used by early Christians to write the Gospels...
I think Davy meant the Balkans is backward compared to Western Europe. Probably because it was part of the Ottoman Empire for so long.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:59 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I got this map from Wikipedia:





It comes from the article about "Apostasy": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy


Apostasy is "the formal disaffiliation from, or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person".

The map shows that there are few Muslim-majority countries were Muslims can renounce their faith, or change their faith, without facing legal problems.

Tunisia and Bangladesh are among those few countries.

In countries like Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, a Muslim who renounces Islam, or converts to another religion, can face the death penalty. I reallly can't understand why countries like these are considered any different of North Korea...
Good find.

I was thinking the other day that I never heard of any terrorism coming out of Bangladesh. Maybe the people there are more moderate then many other Muslim countries.
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Old 12-13-2015, 08:04 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Every country has complete freedom of religion. You are free to believe whatever you like, and embrace in your heart your faith. But you are not free to openly and publicly profess certain religious dogma, nor to actively undertake to influence the religious beliefs of another person.

I don't have any problem with that.

In Islamic countries, you are perfectly free to be any religion, unless your are born a Muslim, in which case you are considered to be a Muslim. If you are born a Muslim and cease to believe, just keep your mouth shut, which will keep you out of trouble in any country.
Yeah, trying simply being a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu or a Shia Muslim in ISIS controlled areas of Syria or Iraq for example. Or in northern Nigeria, parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan. See how long "complete freedom of religion" gets you.
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Old 12-13-2015, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Does that mean that Greece is also not part of the Western World?

That would be ironic, considering that Greece is the birth place of democracy and rational philosophy, and Greek was the language used by early Christians to write the Gospels...
Greece hasn't been part of the Western World for the last 500+ years.
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Old 12-13-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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Yeah, trying simply being a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu or a Shia Muslim in ISIS controlled areas of Syria or Iraq for example. Or in northern Nigeria, parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan. See how long "complete freedom of religion" gets you.
But before USA destabilization of Iraq all those religion, especially Christian lived side by side for centuries with no problem. ISIS is the new kid in block but Middle east muslim nation is home to many Christian not for a year or few decades, these people lived for centuries. If it was always this bad (as bad as isis) these people would have moved out long time ago
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Old 12-13-2015, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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Greece hasn't been part of the Western World for the last 500+ years.
that's a bold statement...

but OK, it's your point of view...
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Old 12-13-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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Good find.

I was thinking the other day that I never heard of any terrorism coming out of Bangladesh. Maybe the people there are more moderate then many other Muslim countries.
Bangladesh is a democratic country, and Islam in Bangladesh is much more moderate than in the Arab world.

The current Prime Minister of Bangladesh is a woman, Sheikh Hasina.

But gays in Bangladesh may go to jail, just like in neighboring India that is not a Muslim-majority country...

Bangladesh does have a "blasphemy" law, but apostasy from Islam is not punishable by law.
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Old 12-13-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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The world would be a better place without Islam, lets just start with completely banning it in the Western World.
I thought you were all for freedom of religion...
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