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Old 12-11-2015, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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I got this map from Wikipedia:





It comes from the article about "Apostasy": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy


Apostasy is "the formal disaffiliation from, or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person".

The map shows that there are few Muslim-majority countries were Muslims can renounce their faith, or change their faith, without facing legal problems.

Tunisia and Bangladesh are among those few countries.

In countries like Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, a Muslim who renounces Islam, or converts to another religion, can face the death penalty. I reallly can't understand why countries like these are considered any different of North Korea...
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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In North Korea, you can get killed if you distance yourself from the official state "religion", that is the cult of the great leader Kim Jong Un.

In Saudi Arabia, you can get killed if you distance yourself from the official state religion, that is Islam.

I see no difference.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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I will never in my life spend my money as a tourist visiting Dubai.

Dubai should be boycotted by tourists who care about freedom of religion.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Death for being non-heterosexual:

Mauritania
Northern Nigeria
Sudan
Parts of Somalia
Yemen
Saudi Arabia
Parts of Syria
Parts of Iraq
Iran
Afghanistan
Brunei

in Pakistan and Bangladesh they are more gay friendly, there they will just put you in jail for life
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Dubai should be boycotted by tourists who care about freedom of religion.

Every country has complete freedom of religion. You are free to believe whatever you like, and embrace in your heart your faith. But you are not free to openly and publicly profess certain religious dogma, nor to actively undertake to influence the religious beliefs of another person.

I don't have any problem with that.

In Islamic countries, you are perfectly free to be any religion, unless your are born a Muslim, in which case you are considered to be a Muslim. If you are born a Muslim and cease to believe, just keep your mouth shut, which will keep you out of trouble in any country.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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The world would be a better place without Islam, lets just start with completely banning it in the Western World.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The world would be an even better place if the meddlers called "progressives" would simply understand that government, in any form, is the enemy of the responsible individual, and the "friend" of any fool who wants something at someone else's expense -- that applies to religious extremists AND the overgrown children who call themselves "liberals" or "progressives" in equal measure.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The world would be a better place without Islam, lets just start with completely banning it in the Western World.
At least, Muslims are more tolerant than that. No Islamic country has ever tried to ban any other religion, except Iran, which bans Baha'i, considering it to be an active and dedicated enemy of the state. There are even Jewish minorities in most Muslim countries, who get along perfectly welll with the Muslims.

How do you imagine that banning Islam in the western world would make all the rest of the world a better place? Have you thought about the logic of that?

By the way, a Muslim can defect from Islam if he wants to, he just can't remain in an Islamic country if he does so. Just as an American can renounce American citizenship, in order to avoid being taxed by America for the rest of his life, but can't stay in the USA and do it. Seems pretty much the same, to me.
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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At least, Muslims are more tolerant than that. No Islamic country has ever tried to ban any other religion, except Iran, which bans Baha'i, considering it to be an active and dedicated enemy of the state. There are even Jewish minorities in most Muslim countries, who get along perfectly well with the Muslims.
That's an oversimplification that doesn't quite synch with the realities and "evolution" of the process we call statecraft; remember, for example, that in early Colonial days, the Puritan Pilgrims hanged Quakers on Boston Common.

And remember too, that Article I of the Constitution makes no specific references to the banning of a particular (and in this case, quite prominent and diverse), religion. It simply prohibits the establishment and promotion of an official "state religion", though there is nothing to prohibit certain "religious" practices, such as animal sacrifice in Santeria, or female genital mutilation by radical Islamists, from being outlawed if a sufficient majority makes the effort to prohibit such.

And it's readily apparent that a lot of simplistic people at all the poles of the polarizations which divide us can't tell the difference.

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Old 12-11-2015, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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One of the tenets of Islam is that a person born a Muslim is deemed a Muslim forever. One of the tenets of Christianity is that the faithful are commanded to mess with everybody else and try to convert them. So you have Christians obliged to convert Muslims, and Muslims obliged to resist conversion. I have a hard time deciding which (if either) is less objectionable.

At least, the Muslims leave everybody else alone, and concern themselves only within their own faith.
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