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Old 02-14-2018, 04:28 AM
 
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yes and its dominated by the " scots irish " who were british
Americans are a melting pot of people. Even the Blacks are largely mixed and a majority of blacks also have White ancestors, and Muhammed Ali and Obama also has Irish background, and the ancestor of Kunta Kinte from Roots did visit Kunta Kinte village in Africa and he noticed his colour of skin was lighter than the people that lived in that village. In Australia a majority of the Aborigines also have white ancestors, and that the same with the Maoris in New Zealand.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:20 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Its was no where near as pronounced as the US however Germans certainly did come to Australia, during the early colonial years. They were the biggest non british ancestrial group in the country for a long time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Australians

I thought canada had a very large german influence?
Canadians feel free to correct me on this but as far as I'm aware, most non French Canadians are of various British decent with far less German influence.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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ive heard that claimed statistic about germans being the number one immigrant group but like how in argentina its claimed that italians are number one , is it a case of the founding fathers not being included ? , like with the spanish in argentina , are the british not way out in front in the usa but its a case of them having been the first to arrive and thus became wholly american much quicker than the likes of germans , irish , italians etc and so many have simply stopped remembering where there ancestors came from
A good number of people who immigrated from Europe after the founding of the US right through to the early 20th century were of various German groups. After independence, immigration from Britain was much smaller by comparison. Many things considered very American today were invented or brought over and modified by German immigrants. The influx of Germans early on is in part why the US lost a lot of it's British feel because Germans eventually outnumbered British ancestry. However, as Anglophones were the dominant culture as far as power was concerned, many German immigrants anglicized their names. None the less in some parts of the country, especially the Midwest you run into surnames like Schneider, Kiblinger, Mueller, Ehrich, Geier, Meier, Baum, Baungartner, Volmacher, Meyer, Schilling, Schmidt. Many Smiths, Millers and Snyders were Schmidts, Muellers and Schneiders respectively when they came over.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Americans are a melting pot of people. Even the Blacks are largely mixed and a majority of blacks also have White ancestors, and Muhammed Ali and Obama also has Irish background, and the ancestor of Kunta Kinte from Roots did visit Kunta Kinte village in Africa and he noticed his colour of skin was lighter than the people that lived in that village. In Australia a majority of the Aborigines also have white ancestors, and that the same with the Maoris in New Zealand.
Yep, I am Black American and have recent French ancestry and my moms maiden name is of lower Saxon origin.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Canadians feel free to correct me on this but as far as I'm aware, most non French Canadians are of various British decent with far less German influence.
Non-francophone Canadians are today of various origins with British Isles (incl. Ireland) being the most common by some measure.


In terms of European origin Anglo-Canadians there are also lots of people of German, Dutch, Ukrainian, Russian, Mennonnite, Scandinavian, central European and even French origins as well. Especially in the major cities there are also lots of people of Italian, Greek and Ashkenazi Jewish origins too.


I am not sure if English+Scottish+Irish+Welsh makes up less than 50% of "Anglo-Canadians" yet, but the day is coming fast when they will.


But regarding German origin specifically, yes it's almost certainly less prevalent than it seems to be in the U.S.


If you look at the names of elected officials, or even something like the credits at the end of a TV program, Anglo-Canada definitely has a higher predominance of purely British-sounding names than the U.S. does.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Americans are a melting pot of people. Even the Blacks are largely mixed and a majority of blacks also have White ancestors, and Muhammed Ali and Obama also has Irish background, and the ancestor of Kunta Kinte from Roots did visit Kunta Kinte village in Africa and he noticed his colour of skin was lighter than the people that lived in that village. In Australia a majority of the Aborigines also have white ancestors, and that the same with the Maoris in New Zealand.
The ancestor of Kunta Kinte obviously had lighter skin, the reason why is explained in the movie roots. Should be no surprise. Many if not most aboriginals here in Canada also are heavily mixed. It is extremely rare to see a some one that looks purely native here. Some would definitely not pass for Native even in parts of the US.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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In Australia a majority of the Aborigines also have white ancestors, and that the same with the Maoris in New Zealand.
Not really sure about that. In more remote parts of Australia (most of it) most Aboriginals would be 100% indigenous ancestry, particularly those living in traditional or semi traditional communities where English may be their 2 or 3rd language. The most recently recorded "first contact" between an Aboriginal people and broader society was in the 1960s.

In more heavily populated coastal regions, your statement is more likely to be correct. Also, there are a lot of people with a degree of Aboriginal heritage who do not or may not identify as "Aboriginal'.

New Zealand is a very different scenario, largely because its a much smaller country geographically. In the early days of white settle there was a formally organised war to subdue all Maori due to competition for land.

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Old 02-14-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: In transition
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Not really sure about that. In more remote parts of Australia (most of it) most Aboriginals would be 100% indigenous ancestry, particularly those living in traditional or semi traditional communities where English may be their 2 or 3rd language. The most recently recorded "first contact" between an Aboriginal people and broader society was in the 1960s.

In more heavily populated coastal regions, your statement is more likely to be correct. Also, there are a lot of people with a degree of Aboriginal heritage who do not or may not identify as "Aboriginal'.

New Zealand is a very different scenario, largely because its a much smaller country geographically. In the early days of white settle three was a formally organised war to subdue all Maori due to competition for land.
I agree... when I visited Australia, most of the indigenous people I met seemed to have less mixing than the indigenous people in the US and Canada.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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There is some German influence in Australia, especially in South Australia where Germans founded the wine industry, I believe.
There is a fairly obvious German historical influence in Central Australia, including the Northern Territory, due to the prevalence of Lutheran missionaries in the 1800's. Central Australian Indigenous choir takes Lutheran hymns back to Germany in performance tour - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Not really sure about that. In more remote parts of Australia (most of it) most Aboriginals would be 100% indigenous ancestry, particularly those living in traditional or semi traditional communities where English may be their 2 or 3rd language. The most recently recorded "first contact" between an Aboriginal people and broader society was in the 1960s.

In more heavily populated coastal regions, your statement is more likely to be correct. Also, there are a lot of people with a degree of Aboriginal heritage who do not or may not identify as "Aboriginal'.
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The situation in Canada is not significantly different from that.


The further north you go (as in Nunavut) far away from the massive non-indigenous population in the south, the more likely people will be almost purely indigenous.


Indigenous populations in southern Canada that live not too far from towns and cities rarely have that many people who are 100% of indigenous origin.


And depending on where you are in the country and which demographic you're talking about, you have a good chunk of the population that is non-indigenous but has indigenous ancestry. My wife is like that and has reasonably noticeable indigenous traits but does not consider herself to be indigenous.


In the province of Quebec it's said that in the vicinity of half the total population is like this, but are not considered indigenous.
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