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View Poll Results: Which of these are part of the West?
Anglo America: Canada and USA 69 89.61%
Australia and New Zealand 60 77.92%
Europe – Eastern Europe and the Balkans (excl. former USSR) 27 35.06%
Europe – Northern Europe, incl. Germany and the United Kingdom 69 89.61%
Europe – Southern Europe, incl. France, Greece, Italy, and Space 65 84.42%
Europe – Former Soviet Union, incl. Russia and Ukraine 8 10.39%
Israel 27 35.06%
Japan 11 14.29%
Latin America - Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay 27 35.06%
Latin America – Brazil 25 32.47%
Latin America – Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela 25 32.47%
Latin America – Mexico, Central America, and Spanish Caribbean 25 32.47%
Philippines 3 3.90%
South Africa 9 11.69%
Turkey 3 3.90%
Others not listed here (specify in comments) 5 6.49%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-20-2022, 08:47 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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It's not Wikipedia's authority, it's IMF classification.


According to that table Greece is more developed than Singapore. OECD membership does not mean anything as it has a number of clearly developing countries in the organisation.

Yes, like I said, there isn't a wholly agreed upon definition for developed country (though there are countries where most would agree fit) and there certainly is even less agreed upon definition for "not even close to" developed country.
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Old 01-21-2022, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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The U.S. media seems to use "The West" to refer to Western Europe, and high-income "white" countries outside of Europe. Basically, "white" countries that started off as West European colonies.

I guess places like Argentina are excluded because of their economic problems.

I listen to a podcast based in Mexico and it seems that the hosts consider Mexico as part of the West.

They use the term "Occidente" to refer to Mexico, USA, Canada, Europe, etc.
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Old 01-22-2022, 09:09 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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I listen to a podcast based in Mexico and it seems that the hosts consider Mexico as part of the West.

They use the term "Occidente" to refer to Mexico, USA, Canada, Europe, etc.
We in Latin America mostly consider ourselves part of the West, but most of the world don't.
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Old 01-22-2022, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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We in Latin America mostly consider ourselves part of the West, but most of the world don't.
Moat of the world or only a part of it?
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:55 PM
 
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Moat of the world or only a part of it?
Only outside of Latin America maybe?
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Old 01-23-2022, 11:02 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Moat of the world or only a part of it?
Most of the world.
An arabic, a chinese, a russian, will never think about Latin America when someone talks about "The West".
The only exceptions outside Latin America are Spain and Portugal, for obvious reasons, and some people in Italy due to many argentinian and brazilian people having dual italian citizenship, descendants of the mass influx of immigrants in the end of the 19h century.
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Old 01-23-2022, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Most of the world.
An arabic, a chinese, a russian, will never think about Latin America when someone talks about "The West".
The only exceptions outside Latin America are Spain and Portugal, for obvious reasons, and some people in Italy due to many argentinian and brazilian people having dual italian citizenship, descendants of the mass influx of immigrants in the end of the 19h century.
I’m pretty sure the majority of Africans see Latin America in the same light as the U.S/The West. Except maybe Brazil, but that’s more of like perception from sports and the large African population in Brazil compared to other Latin American countries.
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Old 01-24-2022, 04:42 AM
 
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I be curious does "the west" divide start in Germany where anything west of the Berlin Wall used to be?
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Old 01-25-2022, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Saskatoon - Saskatchewan, Canada
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If we are talking about a division of Western vs. Eastern world only, I would definitely consider LatAm as part of the West.
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Old 02-13-2022, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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In this 1827 maps it's interesting to see how most places considered "civilized" most likely coincided with people's notion of "The West."


https://blogs.loc.gov/maps/2021/04/w...-19th-century/

Perhaps the further "browning" of many areas of Latin America where racial mixture continued with no lookdown by society and the natural growth of the mixed and other non-white races created a change in the perception of what constituted The West?

Latin America still sees itself as part of The West (aka, civilized), but something tells me that if this map was done today using the same terminology would have different results regarding some places that were considered "civilized."

If race is the major reason why certain parts of Latin America aren't considered The West or "civilized" by some in the current age, woukd it be anti-racist to consider all of Latin America as part of The West?

What implications this has for the USA which is widely known to be on the path of further "browning" through immigration, racial mixtures, and natural population growth? It's estimated that at some point in this century the USA will cease being a country where the whites are the majority. Will the concept of "The West" exclude the USA or will there be a change in peoples racial perception of "The West" and keep the USA under that category? This too has implications for much of Latin America.
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